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headline edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying bist has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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you're listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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today is monday april 12

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2021. 103 days into the new year

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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i did busy busy busy but

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it was a great weekend and as we get

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i i just wanted to say this i want to

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highway patrol and uh i didn't think i

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but that that's you know that's how that

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uh thank you uh to a certain

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officer out there i don't want to say

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his name

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who gave me a break and

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you don't know if i said his name right

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now would somebody else from the chp be

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listening and then go wait a minute you

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what happened you're not supposed to be

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doing that you're supposed to be out

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and uh so i'm not gonna do that but uh

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thank you and uh it was really funny

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um and i'm just gonna say this he walked

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to the car i came up uh to the passenger

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roll it down and before he could say

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i just jumped in would you pull me over

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like whoa slow down there you know and i

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and i wasn't even thinking and uh

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and he comes back and he says hey mr

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like what do you

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he he said i'm letting you off with a

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california highway patrol man it was uh

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just don't do it it's a losing

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all right let's get this show cracking

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we got a an amazing week

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lined up this week it's a very special

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night tonight whitley strieber is here

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and nice exclusive uh with whitley he's

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here to announce and talk about his new

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it is called jesus new vision

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get ready whitley strieber is here

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tomorrow night serena wright taylor

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is back with us and we are going to go

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through

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everything ufo and et related

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and all the breaking news out of puerto

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rico

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so that is tomorrow night serena wright

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taylor our

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favorite person she is here tomorrow

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night wednesday night

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tracy aye tracy uh tracy austin is here

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and she's also got a new book out

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and it is called i survived beyond

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and back it's a series

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of uh stories and true stories

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from people that have survived a

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near-death experience

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and that may include tracy so we'll do

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all of that on wednesday night really

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looking forward to that she's a great

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show host tv host tv presenter

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and of course she's right here on kgra

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tracy austin that's

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thursday is another fader night

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with open lines all night long

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all right all right now uh let's get

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um i want to talk about ufo megacon

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it is coming up june 6th through the

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it's in april may

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boom the the conference is

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going to be here i cannot wait for this

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it's june 6th through the 12th in

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laughlin nevada

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it's being held at the aquarius hotel

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and casino very nice right there on the

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um the entire event is seven days long

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i will be hosting two panels

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um all of the information i think they

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website i got the latest schedule today

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so uh i've got a panel on wednesday

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duties there too as well with bob brown

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so there you go i want to hang out with

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and the links are over at

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awakening man over the weekend right

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before i got pulled over

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by the way i think it was his fault and

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uh i'm talking to eric and he's like hey

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what do i got to do to uh you know get

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tickets to ufo mega con i said matt

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every night on the show

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banners are over at jimmychurchradio.com

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go over to the website click it's right

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there it says ufo megacon laughlin

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nevada click on it

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really yeah eric

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i'm like really okay all right so it's

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ufo megacon on your what yes

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the banners are over at

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and uh looking forward to seeing all of

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and uh it's you know look seriously

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the list of presenters go and check it

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out it's incredible

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through the 12th laughlin nevada banners

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on twitter at

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j church radio okay kick it off there

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sandbox hashtag f2b on twitter

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i was just over in spreaker in the chat

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uh in the chat room hanging out with

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there you go and uh okay all right

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seeing my face there on youtube but yes

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i was just over on youtube

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uh there you go all right just saying it

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says the backdrop looks great jimmy

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love the a you know uh yeah it does look

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pretty good behind me

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um i've i've run out of room i've got

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uh a bunch of other stuff that i wise

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only so much

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you know but i think i'm gonna go ahead

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and do a third row

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down below and uh but

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all right so thank you yeah it does look

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pretty good feels good

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in here as well you can email throughout

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the show

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jimmy at jimmychurchradio.com

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all right let's get to the breaking news

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this is incredible by the way

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archaeologists

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have hailed the discovery of what is to

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to be the largest ancient city

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ever found in egypt

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buried under sand for thousands of years

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which experts said is was one of the

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most important finds

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since the unearthing of tewton commons

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this is the largest ancient city it's

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known as aten

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ever uncovered in egypt

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and it's pristine

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it's incredible the site was uncovered

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near luxor

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began

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excavations just in september of 2020

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six months ago between the temples of

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ramses the third and amenhotep the third

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near luxor

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300 now when you go and go and check out

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uh the news on this and look at the

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pictures look at the wall

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herbs it's like brand new that is

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it it's just incredible pottery jewelry

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um they found it's it's like they just

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abandoned the city

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and somehow it got buried in sand and

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preserved

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it's absolutely incredible i i think

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we need to pay a visit there in march of

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2022 when i head over to egypt

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all right now i got some bad news about

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bacon bacon

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is in the news more food supply

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shortages could be on the way

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as pork is being added to the growing

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list of products that may be missing

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from store

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shelves in the coming months that's

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right

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now we all know throughout 2020 the

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demand for meat

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increase causing grocers to place limits

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on quantities

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that consumers could purchase now

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analysts are predicting that a shortage

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of pork could send hot dog and bacon

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prices

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soaring if the products can be found at

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all

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in stores that's right

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no more bacon incredible what's next

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haagen-dazs you gonna take that from me

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too

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let's get the show cracking all right

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man

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yeah that's the city right there thank

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you kaz happy birthday cass

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um look at that look at the curved wall

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do you see it this is just

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one of uh one of the areas

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yeah that's just one little spot look at

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that

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looking at kevin corber's pictures yeah

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kevin you're getting too good at the

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screen grabs dude

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getting too good all right happy

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birthday to

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today at o'neill

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ed o'neill is 75 years old

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married with children al claire

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danes today is 42 homeland

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and she did that disney movie right

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what was the one where the enchanted

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with the forest

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man i can't remember she's great david

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letterman today

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is 74. shannon doherty

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remember her she's 50 years old beverly

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hills 90210 i can't even remember her

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name

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on that show andy garcia today is 65

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and i was thinking about this what is

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andy garcia's best movie

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what's his best movie and i'm gonna go

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i know i know i'm going godfather three

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yeah i am herbie hancock today is 81.

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had a chance to see uh herbie uh play

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our christmas party uh for elise's in a

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tent

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in our parking lot and i sat there

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on the floor in front of his grand piano

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i think he had a drummer upright bass

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player

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him on a grand piano and i sat this

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close to him

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for like three hours it was

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it was insane herbie i'm just sitting

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right here indian style

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right next to herbie hancock on the flow

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it was incredible guitarist pat travers

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today

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is 67. what was that song called

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snorting whiskey

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echoing the bunnyman guitars will

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sergeant

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today is 63 i think will is one of the

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most creative

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uh guitarist ever it's just absolutely

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incredible what he did with echo and the

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bunny man

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the killing moon right yeah lips like

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sugar that's what i'm talking about

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happy birthday will

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our dead guy's birthday today is

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david cassidy 1950 to 2017

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and uh you know i had his brother ryan

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on the show a couple of weeks ago

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and uh today is david's birthday just

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felt a little strange to me but you know

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david was of course

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keith partridge on the partridge family

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son of shirley partridge played by his

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stepmother shirley jones

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in the 1970s musical sitcom

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the partridge family was one of the game

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changers uh not only for me but for the

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rest of the country this role

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catapulted david to teen idol status as

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a superstar pop singer

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of the 1970s nothing got bigger for

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david

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at the age of 67 and according to his

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daughter katie

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his final words were quote so much

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wasted time end quote happy birthday

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david on this day in history 1633

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galileo is accused of heresy

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in order to turn himself into the holy

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office to begin trial

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for holding the belief that the son

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and of course he said that he would

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never teach this heresy ever again

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he was convicted and was under house

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arrest for the rest of his life

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fader fact all right here you go this is

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a good one

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in 2005 jose

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bettencourt won a 5.5

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million dollar texas state lottery

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texas wired the 5.5

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million dollars to account

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it was there he shows up at the bank

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to make a withdrawal but he's met

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by federal drug agents that's right

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he had to forfeit the winnings because

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he bought the winning ticket

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with the proceeds of selling 36 grams of

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cocaine to a federal informant

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that's right they fought it too they

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fought it they were like how can a jury

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confuse drug sales

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oh man he faced uh the rest of his life

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in prison

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and he had to give up the money there is

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your fader fact tonight whitley strieber

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is here

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and this book is a great one

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i encourage everybody to get it and go

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to unknowncountry.com

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whitley's excellent website we'll be

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talking about all of that tonight

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and the book is called jesus new vision

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tomorrow night serena wright taylor is

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here we're

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going to uh go through all kinds of

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updates with ufos and e.t

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and everything that's going on right now

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in puerto rico

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wednesday night tracy austin is here to

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talk about her new book

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i survived beyond and back

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that's right it is a collection of

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near-death

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experiences and those that survived it

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and then of course thursday night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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[Music]

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coffee

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all the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com best coffee in the

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world

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no question about it the absolute best

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all right last week

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but not as many as i thought

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but there was and of course

461
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i'm referencing george knapp and jeremy

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corbell

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and the story uh that

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they originally published um has now

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been picked up by the mass media uh

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starting today and it's starting to make

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it drowns

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so i was uh i went and uh did a little

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deep dive on this

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and there were a few media outlets

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live fifth and on the sixth that

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reported the story correctly

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with headlines that said

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swarm navy ships

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right okay and and variations of that

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but you go and you read those original

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media

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uh releases from last week and

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it's it's right there it's it's black

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and white

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right there's not no mention of pyramids

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or pyramid

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shapes or ufos or e.t or uaps

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at that time the name still is by the

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way uh steadfast in

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saying drones

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over our ships off of san clemente

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island over

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you know four week period five week

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period uh three four different nights

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um and they were investigating and

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getting to the bottom of it but it's

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drones it's the key word here

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so um so anyway

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i went out and and did another uh

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sweep through the media today and

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the navy is saying a couple of things

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and i'm going to put maybe some of this

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in writing and and get it out there i'll

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blog it or do something with it

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but the navy is saying that they film

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drones and the navy

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is now saying there is some implications

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that are going down right now that

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it was the navy

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it was u.s navy drones being flown off

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of san clemente island

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and that the navy may have

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forgotten to let the ships know

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that they were launching these drones

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and it's as

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simple as that how this trickled into

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and i don't know if it's gonna stick in

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uh the uaptf uh task force report that's

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gonna be out next month

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i don't know uh they pushed the date

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back to it's no longer the first it may

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be

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but

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my point being that when i go out i

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know that everybody wants this to be

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you know in the video a tr3b everybody

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wants this to be

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a black project everybody wants this to

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be et

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everybody you know and i get that and

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when you first look at the video if you

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don't know anything

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well if the flashing lights weren't

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there let me just say that

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you've got something interesting but the

532
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flashing lights give everything away

533
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that's that's the first thing the second

534
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these videos were leaked because they're

535
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no big deal

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they don't show any crazy technology

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um and there's another point there's no

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crazy they're drones

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okay they're just drones there was

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another point

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that i found today

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that i had to go back to the drive

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see it in the drive but i may have

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missed it in the original article

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stated this from the navy said

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that these drones were on station

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they left because they were running out

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of battery power

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right and that that's it

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and you go and you read that statement

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and now

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uh and i read a couple of other things

553
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today

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that says now exactly what's going on

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they know now that it's their drones

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they know

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i'm talking about the ships and you know

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the kid in the uss russell and so

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they know now that they came from san

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clemente island

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it's it's it's now a big nothing burger

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and that's how this is going to play out

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i want to back up to last week looking

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at this video

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and then putting out there with

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headlines that there's flying pyramids

567
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flying pyramids above our us navy and

568
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they're swarming that's a huge

569
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leap and i you need to

570
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wait i know it's a sensational thing and

571
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the video is cool and

572
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yeah okay go out but but stay in a zone

573
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,440
stay in a safe zone right

574
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:06,399
let it play out for a day or two or

575
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three

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until you have some more information

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because in the

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end if you're gonna go say flying

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pyramids and now

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uh you're gonna get caught and you don't

581
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:17,679
want to be embarrassed

582
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:21,880
but now i think that the overall

583
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:24,559
overwhelming outlook on all of these uh

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on

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that that the navy

586
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:36,159
filmed a drone when uh john greenwald

587
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who we love

588
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,880
you know he has to pin the pentagon said

589
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,440
yeah these are real videos

590
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,840
he didn't say yeah these are real flying

591
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,679
pyramids that's not what the navy said

592
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:46,880
they said these are

593
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videos that we filmed yes

594
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,840
that doesn't indicate e.t

595
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it doesn't indicate a black project it

596
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doesn't indicate uh

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a foreign adversary it's not russia it's

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not

599
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,080
it could be but uh it doesn't indicate

600
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,640
any of that

601
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,279
all right and so yeah it's an authentic

602
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,279
video that was filmed by the navy

603
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:14,080
and that that's it you know and the

604
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story

605
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,399
if um and this is my whole point of

606
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,279
rambling right now if there was anything

607
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,960
crazy going on here if this was

608
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something that was unexplainable

609
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:29,120
whether it's uh from a state actor or

610
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,039
not of this earth this story is huge

611
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,559
the story died on the vine and because

612
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,679
it's just drones

613
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,240
the story did not blow up it did not

614
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take off because people can look at the

615
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video

616
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,440
and draw their own conclusions you're

617
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,919
not going to be able

618
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:52,159
to twist this one into something that

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it's not

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church

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tonight whitley strieber whitley

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strieber is here his new book is out

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it is called jesus new vision what is

625
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,080
going on here it's a great book got a

626
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lot to talk about tonight with whitley

627
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tomorrow night serena wright taylor

628
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going to be talking about puerto rico

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and all of the ufo and et updates off

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the island

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wednesday night tracy austin is back

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i survived beyond and back a collection

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of near-death

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experiences thursday nights another

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fader night

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with open lines all night long i'm your

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host jimmy church this is fade to black

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and the game changer network and kg r a

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the planet i'll be right back with our

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guest whitley streeter after this short

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you should too right now save 20

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nine out of ten geneticists agree

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not your father's radio show

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on the game changer radio network and

742
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kgra

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the planet hi this is rob reiner from

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and you're listening to

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jimmychurchradio.com

747
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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

748
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:16,340
church radio

749
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,750
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

750
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,280
your host jimmy church tonight whitney

751
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,720
strieber is here

752
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,480
he's here to announce and talk about his

753
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,800
new book jesus new vision

754
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,040
tomorrow night serena wright taylor is

755
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,800
here she's going to be giving us some

756
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:43,760
updates

757
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:47,119
ufo et related on puerto rico tomorrow

758
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,680
night

759
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,800
tracy austin is back and she's got a new

760
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,960
book out too it's called i survived

761
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,880
beyond and back a collection of

762
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,960
near-death experiences

763
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,560
thursday night of course is another

764
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fader night with open lines all night

765
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long but tonight is whitley

766
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that's right as the author of such books

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cultural figures of our time jesus a new

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vision

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draws together information from

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00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,640
scholarship archaeology and

771
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,880
his own research is to discover the

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jesus story that has been

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buried in generations of largely

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faith-based

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scholarship it reveals the dramatic

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story of a man of

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great genius who was conceived or

778
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convinced he was conceived he was

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convinced

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that he had a special connection to god

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00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,200
and as a result lived a life of

782
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extraordinary passion and power then

783
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:44,079
that of any other human being whitley's

784
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,359
website of course is

785
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unknown country.com a place where i go

786
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:49,200
and steal

787
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i would like to welcome back to paid to

788
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black willie streamer whitley good

789
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:58,800
evening man how are you

790
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,320
oh thanks it's a great intro and i must

791
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:03,520
remember

792
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,040
uh to steal some more material from you

793
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,359
well i just gave you i just gave you

794
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conceived

795
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yeah it's good to be back jimmy it's uh

796
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,920
it's good to see you my friend

797
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,440
and i don't know when we're going to be

798
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,280
able to break bread and hang out

799
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,280
once again but it's got to happen soon

800
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:22,880
soon it's going to happen

801
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,160
soon i mean you know uh think i'm fully

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vaccinated and going out all the time in

803
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,800
fact

804
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,920
you look great by the way and uh you got

805
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a fresh shirt on for the show

806
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,160
thank you for doing that yeah well you

807
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:38,160
told me i couldn't be seen so i

808
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had every reason to i ate my dinner

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00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,599
most of it's on my shirt but it doesn't

810
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:45,280
look like that i think you must not be

811
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,079
able to see it

812
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,960
it's i've been we're not running in 4k

813
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:50,560
thank goodness right

814
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:53,920
um now uh whitley um i i

815
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,119
we have so much to discuss tonight but

816
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,320
um i i'm gonna start with this

817
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:03,119
and i want you to take this uh the wrong

818
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:03,599
way

819
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,640
okay deal i'll be glad to okay

820
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:09,040
this is the last book i thought that you

821
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,400
would write

822
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,359
and it caught me by surprise uh i was

823
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:15,359
totally excited about it and and called

824
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,200
you right away and said this is a book

825
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,440
so many uh should have written but are

826
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,960
afraid to write

827
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:25,040
but it came from you and i was

828
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,160
completely

829
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:28,720
caught off guard do you think that this

830
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:32,640
is going to surprise a lot of people

831
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,000
well i hope so uh i sure hope it will uh

832
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:39,040
uh uh

833
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,160
it's not a i don't think it it's gonna

834
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,359
i don't know if coming from me it'll

835
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,880
it shouldn't surprise people too much

836
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,800
because i write a lot of things i mean i

837
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:52,720
wrote super storm and

838
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war day and magenta uh afterlife

839
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,440
revolution

840
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,640
i wrote a new world so i've

841
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,440
written a lot of things as not

842
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:05,920
necessarily alien connected

843
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:08,880
you know well so you know so it's not

844
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:09,520
that

845
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,880
for me because

846
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people like the same thing again and

847
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,079
again and again from

848
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,680
the same author but i i move all over

849
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,960
the place and this is something that's

850
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,720
interested me for years

851
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,520
i remember uh this is quite a long time

852
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,720
ago but i remember

853
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,119
you and i having a conversation not to

854
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,680
go back to communion

855
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,680
but indirectly we kind of need to

856
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,160
because there were always

857
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,920
an underlying religious connection

858
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,960
uh to to most of your writing

859
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,520
and your experiences but i think a lot

860
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,000
of that was open to interpretation by

861
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,320
the reader but it was there wasn't it

862
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,000
yeah well i think it's a spiritual

863
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:53,680
connection more than a religious one

864
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,839
because religion

865
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,839
implies you know being a baptist or a

866
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:58,720
catholic or

867
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:02,000
a hindu or something like that but

868
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,599
uh spiritual is a broader umbrella a

869
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,520
broader

870
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:10,560
bigger umbrella and um

871
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,640
i have my spiritual life

872
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:18,000
was revolutionized by my contact

873
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,599
experience

874
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,560
in a number of different ways the most

875
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,520
important one

876
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:28,880
was that i realized that the soul

877
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,119
is real and that that level of existence

878
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:36,560
is true it's there and

879
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:41,440
i this was an enormous surprise to me

880
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:47,990
became involved with the visitors i was

881
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,000
a pretty secular person

882
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,720
i was we were in the gergie foundation

883
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,839
which is

884
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,880
not a spiritual practice it's more of a

885
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,960
more of an intellectual and emotional

886
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:01,599
practice intended to

887
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:05,119
wake the person up but not

888
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,400
not it's not like soul related and

889
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,480
prayer oriented and you know you can be

890
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:12,160
in any religion you want to if you're in

891
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:12,720
a

892
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:20,160
in 1984 whether or not

893
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:29,510
probably not i would have said

894
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,960
i think the universe is its own master

895
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,960
if you had asked me whether or not the

896
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,160
dead existed

897
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,960
i would have given you a very confused

898
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:42,800
answer

899
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,280
the reason being that i'd been seeing in

900
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,680
acting with them most of my life not

901
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:52,800
just my adult life but most of my life

902
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,880
and um yet i i found it hard to believe

903
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:57,839
a thing like that

904
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,760
where were they you know what were they

905
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,520
what did they do every day i mean you

906
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,200
know where

907
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,119
were they then the visitors showed up

908
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:12,480
and my spiritual life kind of blasted

909
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,040
off

910
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,079
and it wasn't long

911
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,119
a few more years and i was actually

912
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,520
meditating every night not just with a

913
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,359
dead person but with a group of dead

914
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:24,800
people

915
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,839
and they were living

916
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,960
or could emerge right into the edge of

917
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:32,560
this world

918
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,000
it was absolutely astonishing uh

919
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,040
they were so they were they were

920
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,280
i would say they were quasi physical

921
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,640
presences

922
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:45,000
uh one time one of them had physically

923
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:46,160
materialized

924
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:49,520
and another time other times i never i

925
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,839
could

926
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,520
gl maybe i glimpsed him once in the

927
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:52,960
woods i don't know

928
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,839
but people would see this group of seven

929
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,680
balls of light kind of

930
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,520
drifting through the woods behind the

931
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,480
house and at 11 o'clock at night when i

932
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,400
started meditating

933
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,160
they would come down on the roof of the

934
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,000
meditation room with these loud

935
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,440
thuds so they weren't ghosts

936
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,200
and annie would you know she'd hear the

937
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,640
thuds and

938
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,400
she said finally she said well you know

939
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,480
whitley i want to try this

940
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,480
i want to be i want to go in the room

941
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,319
and and be with you and i said well

942
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:23,599
listen annie

943
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,040
i warn you what happens is that you hear

944
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,720
the thuds but then they're in the room

945
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,000
and you can't see them

946
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,680
and you can feel their presence very

947
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,040
strongly and it's very

948
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,839
very strange so she said well i want to

949
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,440
do it anyway

950
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,160
so we go in the room together and i'm

951
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,520
sitting on the floor and she's sitting

952
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,119
in a chair

953
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,240
and the thuds can't come and i feel

954
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,240
these entities come down into the room

955
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,480
and all of a sudden anne says

956
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,520
i'm not ready for this i tilt it out of

957
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:55,359
there

958
00:44:03,510 --> 00:43:59,599
but in other words this was not

959
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,520
your conventional experience with ghosts

960
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,480
it wasn't an experience with aliens it

961
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:08,240
was an experience with people who in

962
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,640
fact

963
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,319
indicated to me that they were from

964
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,319
between the lives and that they were

965
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:13,599
waiting to be

966
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,359
reborn into the physical i'm with annie

967
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,319
i'm with annie oh i know it well i got

968
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:21,760
you know

969
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:25,119
jeff cripel my dear friend made the

970
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,800
mistake of sleeping in the same room

971
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,640
with me at s the essel and institute a

972
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:30,160
couple of years ago and i warned him i

973
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,560
said

974
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,800
look a room like this we were at this

975
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:34,720
it's a beautiful place essel

976
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:37,920
on the in big sur right on the on the

977
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:41,200
pacific bluff overlooking the pacific

978
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,640
and we're in this very beautiful room

979
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,640
i mean it's a you know it's a salute

980
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,760
it's not not a

981
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,200
beautifully decorated it's not like a

982
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,040
palace a simple room

983
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,520
but in a beautiful spot because it's got

984
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,400
a little deck and it overlooks the ocean

985
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,680
and it's just glorious and

986
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,040
i've been in that room a few years

987
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:03,200
before with ann and the visitors had

988
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,000
waked her up so

989
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:06,640
much it pissed her off and she said

990
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,440
whitley

991
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:10,000
don't they get it it's night time to

992
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,119
sleep

993
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,520
i said not for you i mean for you maybe

994
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:14,960
but not for me

995
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,920
anyway so jeff is in there and one of

996
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:19,680
them shows up

997
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:22,880
and he experienced it he's

998
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:26,720
he said i heard a voice from inside

999
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,240
my body my own voice but an inner voice

1000
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:31,280
say

1001
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,280
oh my god and then i felt like

1002
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,800
the world was caving in around me

1003
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,040
and that's how it feels to be near them

1004
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,119
but you get used to it actually

1005
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,880
i was i mean it didn't bother me at all

1006
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,960
i just got up and meditated the same way

1007
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:48,880
i usually do when they show up

1008
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,270
let's go to the like the early 90s uh

1009
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,720
that period

1010
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:02,160
were you starting to research

1011
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,480
um jesus and early uh philosophy with

1012
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:07,680
religions

1013
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:14,630
not me ann was and was intensely

1014
00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:15,280
interested

1015
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,200
in religion and i was more a

1016
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,720
conversationalist she was the reader

1017
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:23,920
she read oh god and read so much anyway

1018
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:24,160
i

1019
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:36,960
heavy duty stuff

1020
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,240
novels she she she could easily

1021
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,280
polish off a mystery novel in a day in

1022
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,480
an after in an evening

1023
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,280
afternoon and evening and a longer book

1024
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:49,119
a bigger book would take her three days

1025
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,400
so she was

1026
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,319
she was reading a lot about this and we

1027
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:53,760
would talk right

1028
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,040
and you know i made various i attempted

1029
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,960
to go back to

1030
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,760
the church and anne was a big volunteer

1031
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,160
so she would you know wherever she was

1032
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,760
you appointed her at a church and she

1033
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,520
would immediately be

1034
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,520
volunteering until we came to santa

1035
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:10,720
monica

1036
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,079
and she signed up for everything

1037
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,079
at the local catholic church and they

1038
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,160
wouldn't let her do a thing because

1039
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,720
of her name whitley strieber and you

1040
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,800
know they saw the cover of communion and

1041
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,400
these people thought it was something

1042
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,040
kind of an invasion of demons

1043
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,240
so we we we quit

1044
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,880
our various attempts to be catholics at

1045
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:33,599
that point

1046
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,440
that was in 2004. well the reason why

1047
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,880
um and this is where i want to uh

1048
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,599
go right now when i'm i'm reading

1049
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:45,200
through the book

1050
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:48,800
and this is a lot of research

1051
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,160
this type of research takes time

1052
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:54,880
and it just seemed to me like there was

1053
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,680
an awful lot maybe a couple of decades

1054
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,319
worth of interest here to go and explore

1055
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,520
because

1056
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,079
uh when it comes to the historical

1057
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:06,079
record of jesus

1058
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,839
there appears on the surface to

1059
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,559
not be a lot and that's where skeptics

1060
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,240
or debunkers when they come

1061
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:17,359
to jesus will always point that out and

1062
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,240
then if you

1063
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,280
if you go deeper there's a lot of

1064
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:23,119
information out there but it takes time

1065
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,000
to get it done

1066
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:26,559
yes there's a lot and you you know it's

1067
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:27,280
amazing

1068
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,880
the gospels are among the

1069
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,400
they're they're among the richest

1070
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,040
documents written in the

1071
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,160
in the ancient world the only extensive

1072
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,000
document written about a child

1073
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,079
in the whole ancient world is the

1074
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:44,720
infancy gospel of jesus

1075
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,000
the only one and um as i

1076
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,040
point out in jesus new vision when you

1077
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,559
read it

1078
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,400
if you've never heard of it folks and

1079
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:55,920
it's understandable because it's an

1080
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,640
apocryphal gospel it's not in the canon

1081
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,480
and most people who don't study this

1082
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,000
have never heard of it

1083
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,319
but it's an absolutely fascinating

1084
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:05,520
document it's a group

1085
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,680
of stories about jesus's childhood from

1086
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,200
the age of five until

1087
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:13,520
he he arrives at the temple at the age

1088
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:14,839
of 12.

1089
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,800
anecdotes now why is it not in

1090
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,440
the canon it's not in the canon because

1091
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,000
the anecdotes portray

1092
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,359
of a very difficult

1093
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,400
and frankly quite dangerous child

1094
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,920
because they he's capable of

1095
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,920
performing miracles only he can't

1096
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,119
control it

1097
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:39,119
and he's always accidentally killing

1098
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,160
children and

1099
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,480
so on and so forth in this but here's

1100
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:44,960
the fascinating thing

1101
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:48,960
if you take out the miracles

1102
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,960
suddenly you have a story of a very

1103
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,160
frustrated little boy who is extremely

1104
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:57,520
brilliant

1105
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:01,440
trying to cope with living in a world

1106
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,119
that has no room for a

1107
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:08,480
child like that in his

1108
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,760
station in life the son of a carpenter

1109
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,280
and it becomes one of the most

1110
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:15,440
extraordinary documents in the whole

1111
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:18,640
jesus literature and

1112
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,680
so when i did that in my book and this

1113
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:24,000
it's the first time anyone has ever

1114
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,440
seriously

1115
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,319
studied the the infancy gospel and it's

1116
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,079
an absolute revelation

1117
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,119
because you know darn well what happened

1118
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,280
what happened was a lot of family

1119
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,680
stories about probably about this very

1120
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,200
child

1121
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,760
got so on the miracles were added to

1122
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,200
them

1123
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,680
by by by other writers because in those

1124
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:47,680
days

1125
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,440
they weren't they weren't uh

1126
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,319
so attached to the idea of factual

1127
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,559
writing as we are today

1128
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,400
in other words if someone thought

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00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,880
something should have happened

1130
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,440
they would they would just make that up

1131
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,920
and since it was jesus

1132
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,000
there should have been miracles involved

1133
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,000
in these situations where he

1134
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:12,559
uh hit another boy and so on and so

1135
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,359
forth so

1136
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,160
they they assumed they they created the

1137
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:17,920
miracles out of whole cloth and

1138
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,030
he just had begun to enter literature at

1139
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:30,400
that time

1140
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,680
uh herodotus whose uh work

1141
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,400
or a little earlier is a is a mix of

1142
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,000
fact and fiction

1143
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,800
is one of the first historians and now

1144
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,119
tacitus

1145
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,920
was just starting to write in that era

1146
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:46,720
and he was the fir

1147
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:49,760
one of the first to really try to write

1148
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:50,319
facts

1149
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:57,200
so if that wasn't true how did you get

1150
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,079
the research

1151
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,680
done did you just

1152
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:04,000
depend on that specific book in the

1153
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:04,800
gospels

1154
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:08,000
or did you did you venture out beyond

1155
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,200
that

1156
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,599
well if you look at the bibliography at

1157
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:12,960
the back of the book

1158
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:16,720
you will find that i ventured out way

1159
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,800
beyond that i read

1160
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:23,440
well i didn't need to read all of it

1161
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:24,079
because i

1162
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,640
i had read a lot of the books i read

1163
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:31,680
a lot of of tacitus

1164
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,680
and josephus is the jewish historian who

1165
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:38,240
lived in the time of vespasian er

1166
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,000
about just at the time that uh the

1167
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,319
around 60 and 70 a.d when the gospels

1168
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,680
were just beginning to

1169
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,000
happen and the jesus story was kind of

1170
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:49,760
percolating under the surface

1171
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,800
and the in a major state of rebellion

1172
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:57,280
and jerusalem would soon be destroyed by

1173
00:53:05,750 --> 00:52:57,839
the

1174
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:05,760
romans and josephus was a jewish

1175
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:08,800
writer and and who

1176
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:11,440
realized which way the wind was blowing

1177
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:12,319
and

1178
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,160
again

1179
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,359
he wasn't historian in the modern sense

1180
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:22,400
and so you can't be of anything he

1181
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,280
writes

1182
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,359
as to whether or not it actually

1183
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,040
happened yeah you have to separate

1184
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,599
fact from fiction as best you can and

1185
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,359
the way you do that is you read

1186
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,760
the other authors who were writing about

1187
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,680
the same subjects and you try to come up

1188
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,359
with a

1189
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:40,960
a combination of narratives that

1190
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:44,000
add up to something that probably did

1191
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,880
happen

1192
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,880
and there's another way to do it too and

1193
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:49,520
that is to look very very carefully

1194
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,640
at the stories in the context that they

1195
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:54,240
would have been written

1196
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,000
you have to know a lot of archaeology

1197
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,880
and history in order to do that because

1198
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:02,720
archaeology has

1199
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,319
greatly improved our understanding

1200
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:08,720
of these histories so-called from that

1201
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:17,190
in the acts of the apostles

1202
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:20,960
there's a story of saint paul

1203
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:24,480
going to a town he was

1204
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:27,920
being followed by a young woman

1205
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,119
who was possessed in

1206
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:34,800
in their terminology

1207
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:38,799
and he basically got annoyed by her

1208
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,319
her constant following and then he

1209
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:45,520
drove the devil out of her now what

1210
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,799
happened

1211
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,880
that suggests that there's some truth to

1212
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:50,319
this story

1213
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:54,720
is is this he was then

1214
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,640
dragged before the magistrates

1215
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,160
by the owners of this girl because she

1216
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:03,839
had been

1217
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:12,870
after paul drove out the demon she

1218
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,680
couldn't prophesy anymore

1219
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,160
now in the ancient world in the roman

1220
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,680
world

1221
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,920
you didn't just go to the police or file

1222
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,200
a lawsuit

1223
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,200
if you wanted to take somebody to court

1224
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,280
you gotta had to grab them

1225
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,599
and drag them right there to the

1226
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:31,599
magistrate

1227
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,720
you had to do it yourself and so

1228
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,680
these people were really annoyed because

1229
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,599
they'd lost their source of income

1230
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,920
and there you see how their paul really

1231
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,079
did something for that girl

1232
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,720
otherwise there wouldn't have been any

1233
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,720
story of the magistrate you don't make a

1234
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,079
thing like that up

1235
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,400
of course the magistrate then had paul

1236
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,319
whipped and so forth

1237
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,200
and then to his embarrassment found out

1238
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,040
that paul was actually a roman citizen

1239
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,720
and therefore it was illegal to have

1240
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,960
whipped him but

1241
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:05,599
he apologized but he didn't say to paul

1242
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,030
stay in town be our guest we're so sorry

1243
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,119
he escorted him out of town because he

1244
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,720
certainly didn't want this guy anywhere

1245
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:15,359
near

1246
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,799
his town now uh we've got uh a few

1247
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,640
minutes before the break and when we

1248
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,760
come back

1249
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:24,160
uh i want to discuss the soul and we're

1250
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:24,880
gonna go

1251
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:28,079
pretty deep into that but before we get

1252
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,680
to the break

1253
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,799
we have a conundrum here that i think

1254
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,760
many discuss and i want to know how you

1255
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:37,520
approached it

1256
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,640
was jesus the son of god

1257
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,960
because i'm confused as to how that goes

1258
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,079
with the family life

1259
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,640
with mary and joseph was he the son of

1260
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:47,680
god

1261
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:50,720
or did he just have a relationship

1262
00:57:04,390 --> 00:56:59,030
everybody has a relationship with

1263
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:07,829
how jesus understood this is

1264
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,240
very different his understanding of

1265
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,920
deity was

1266
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,559
incredibly sophisticated for the time

1267
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:18,480
that he lived in

1268
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,240
uh he was no ordinary believer

1269
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,240
uh that this was a world that was

1270
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:26,640
literally demon haunted and god haunted

1271
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:27,119
they were

1272
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,160
everywhere and people believed in them

1273
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:33,839
implicitly and we can get into

1274
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,040
why jesus ended up being a god

1275
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:39,920
later when when we talk about what

1276
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:40,640
happened

1277
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,680
after his his resurrection

1278
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:48,000
i'm not going to answer the question

1279
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,200
directly

1280
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:52,400
because i want to get into it in a few

1281
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,680
different ways

1282
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:56,000
this is remember the most remarkable

1283
00:58:04,230 --> 00:57:56,960
human story

1284
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:04,240
first and when we when

1285
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:08,400
the religious leaders pushed him up onto

1286
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:12,079
a pedestal and made him into a statue

1287
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:16,160
and said to us worship him

1288
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,079
they took away the magical

1289
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,440
and extraordinary power of his teaching

1290
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:26,640
jesus was first and foremost

1291
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:29,680
one of the most powerful teachers who

1292
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:32,799
ever lived that was his

1293
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,480
first first place

1294
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,760
in the world and what he did and what

1295
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,280
happened to him

1296
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:43,520
is the roast remarkable single human

1297
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,480
story

1298
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:47,520
now i've skirted around the was he god

1299
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,640
or not

1300
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:51,119
on purpose and we can go on after the

1301
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,079
break

1302
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,440
and and get into the whole thing

1303
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,720
a little deeper because this whole

1304
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,400
business

1305
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,880
of turning him into a god was a

1306
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,559
political act

1307
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:07,359
that took place in the 3rd century and

1308
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:08,319
4th centuries

1309
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:11,440
a.d it had to do

1310
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,559
with rome needing to replace

1311
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:16,240
its gods with a new god

1312
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,599
[Music]

1313
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:20,160
and we have continued to look at jesus

1314
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:21,440
that way

1315
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:25,200
ever since but the best place

1316
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:28,559
to look for jesus is not

1317
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:32,240
in the church or in the sky or

1318
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:36,640
outside of you the best place to look

1319
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,040
is in your own heart and your own soul

1320
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,520
this is where you will find this teacher

1321
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:45,040
waiting for you

1322
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:48,559
that's why i think and i agree with you

1323
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:51,680
that's why i think monty python's a life

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00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:52,480
of brian

1325
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:56,000
is is a historical record

1326
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:00,000
i love it love it stay right there oh

1327
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stay right there whitley whitley

1328
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welcome back paid to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight whitley strieber is

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here we're talking about his new book

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jesus a new vision tomorrow night serena

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01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,599
wright taylor joins us

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01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:47,200
it's going to be great talking about

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austin and her new book uh how i

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survived to beyond and back

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a collection of ndes near-death

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experiences tonight it's whitley

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strieber

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01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,400
and whitley i was talking to race hobbs

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01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,079
earlier today and uh

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01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,640
he wanted me to tell you hello so i got

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that out of the way because i'm sure

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01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:09,200
that he's listening

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01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:12,799
yes so there you go um uh

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i want to i want to talk about the soul

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01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:19,680
and i speak about this often

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01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:22,799
um but i want to get to a definition

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01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:25,839
of that in just a second with you and

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01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,280
the reason why

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01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:29,760
i have been so fascinated with it is

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01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,559
when you dive

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01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:32,880
deep into the historical record i mean

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01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:35,359
deep into egypt you don't go 5 000 years

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01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:36,400
ago

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01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:40,000
where these conversations were happening

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01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,680
and they understood those ancient

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01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:46,079
civilizations probably more than we do

1485
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:50,559
today and it's not an accident

1486
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:53,359
they were clearly defining something but

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01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:54,079
this is

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01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:57,280
the situation i find myself in is the

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soul

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01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,920
the same as consciousness are they

1491
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:03,920
interchangeable are they the same thing

1492
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,400
or are we talking about two different

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01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,240
things

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01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,480
well you know jimmy i always appreciate

1495
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,200
these extremely easy questions

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01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:16,319
i can answer very quickly and easily

1497
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:19,760
um hmm

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01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:24,160
well you know i i think that

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01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:28,000
i can only tell you my experience

1500
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:32,720
and my what i've learned

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01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:39,750
source of information about the soul

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01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:42,799
is very old

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01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,440
it's the pyramid text from the pyramid

1504
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:46,880
of unes

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01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,240
in egypt which is considered the oldest

1506
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,720
religious text in the world

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01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:54,319
however i don't think it's a religious

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01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:58,319
text i think it's the last

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01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:01,920
the first part of it the first

1510
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:06,319
couple of sections of it are the last

1511
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:11,440
text of soul science that we have

1512
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,679
this text is an incredibly sophisticated

1513
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:20,960
hieroglyphic masterpiece carved on the

1514
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:24,159
entire interior of this

1515
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:28,319
pyramid and what it is about

1516
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:32,480
is the ascension is ascension basically

1517
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:35,839
uh to the uh to to orion to

1518
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:39,920
the souls return to orion and

1519
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:44,000
how the soul functions

1520
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:47,440
and what is needed for the soul

1521
01:09:02,149 --> 01:08:58,229
it contains a excuse me

1522
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:02,159
a system systematization

1523
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:05,679
of the relationship between three things

1524
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,960
the physical body what i think of

1525
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,799
we would think of as a kind of an

1526
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,080
electric body

1527
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,839
we would call it the second body or the

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01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:15,600
astral body

1529
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:18,640
and a third presence

1530
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:22,000
which is the soul the

1531
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,440
first presence the physical body

1532
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,679
in this group of three this triad would

1533
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,839
be the active part that is

1534
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:32,400
to say it is acting and moving through

1535
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:33,600
time

1536
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:37,679
and all of the impressions it's gaining

1537
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:40,960
are being moved into this

1538
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,279
electric body the second body which in

1539
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,199
the egyptian

1540
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,080
system is inside the spine which they

1541
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:49,759
regarded as a serpent

1542
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:53,600
of light surrounded by the seven

1543
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,320
knitter or this now called the seven

1544
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,320
chakras

1545
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:01,360
which were smaller serpents that were

1546
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:02,640
turning

1547
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,199
were drawing

1548
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,960
like a whirlpool all of the

1549
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,679
experiences the body was having and

1550
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:16,000
transferring them into the spine

1551
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:19,440
where they were accelerated to a to an

1552
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:22,719
intensity that the soul could perceive

1553
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:27,120
and for the egyptians the whole process

1554
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:30,800
was what were you giving your soul

1555
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:34,080
what were you feeding it and the text in

1556
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:35,440
the pyramid of eunice is

1557
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:39,920
for the pharaoh eunice to

1558
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:44,560
to to show him how to feed his soul

1559
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:47,920
in such a way that it is so light

1560
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:51,280
at his death that it will ascend

1561
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:54,640
now where is consciousness

1562
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,159
in all of this consciousness

1563
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,440
is in all three the

1564
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,520
consciousness is in the body or the body

1565
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,120
wouldn't would not

1566
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,760
be able to to function consciousness

1567
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:09,920
must be in the second body

1568
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:12,560
or it would not know what it was doing

1569
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:13,600
but the real

1570
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:16,719
source of consciousness is much deeper

1571
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:20,000
and when you get to the soul the borders

1572
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:21,360
that we perceive

1573
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:24,560
of self are gone the self

1574
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:27,760
lives in the the ego lives in the body

1575
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:31,440
but the soul is not our egos because we

1576
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:31,920
have

1577
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:39,280
them a long time

1578
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:42,640
this is why in ecclesiastes

1579
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:46,400
it is in the king james translation

1580
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:49,520
it is described as the soul returns to

1581
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:49,920
its

1582
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:53,840
long home that is to say the long

1583
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:57,440
shadow of memory that sweeps behind the

1584
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:58,400
soul

1585
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:01,679
into the mists of time of all it is

1586
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:04,719
lived and known you know if you fit were

1587
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:07,679
face to face with your own soul

1588
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:10,239
you would be face to face with something

1589
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:11,120
enormous

1590
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:13,280
and something extraordinary and i don't

1591
01:12:18,270 --> 01:12:14,239
think

1592
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:18,280
we would even recognize our own souls

1593
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,440
necessarily until

1594
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,080
we were surrendered enough to them to

1595
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,719
feel the profound familiarity that they

1596
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:29,360
actually possess

1597
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,120
but consciousness is is not an

1598
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,320
individualized state it's not something

1599
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,960
that lives in the head

1600
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:39,600
it's not that conscious consciousness

1601
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:40,880
lives in us

1602
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:44,320
jimmy we live in consciousness

1603
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,000
consciousness is a field in which

1604
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,480
we are concentrations we're

1605
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,159
concentrations in this

1606
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,120
consciousness field little little tiny

1607
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:57,840
concentrations of consciousness

1608
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:00,880
moving through time and and and and

1609
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:04,000
and back to your point um the

1610
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,080
ancient egyptians would weigh your soul

1611
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,760
right they they didn't weigh your

1612
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:11,520
consciousness right

1613
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:16,480
they wait for you to uh to move on

1614
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,400
they wage your soul so clearly they had

1615
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:23,440
a definition between the two as well oh

1616
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:24,159
yeah

1617
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:27,679
the the 42 uh

1618
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:31,920
laws of moth uh their 42 commandments

1619
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:32,400
that

1620
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,440
you lived by those and you you

1621
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,600
you basically came out of life with no

1622
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:39,120
regrets

1623
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:45,520
and that turns out to be very very

1624
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,719
important

1625
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,640
because everything we do

1626
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:50,400
[Music]

1627
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:53,679
that's not that's wrong and that hurts

1628
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:54,800
others

1629
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,239
leaves a mark it leaves a regret

1630
01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:00,640
everything we do that's good and helps

1631
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:01,600
others

1632
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:04,320
leaves something very different it

1633
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,800
leaves a sense of joy

1634
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:09,360
this is why annie's constant refrain was

1635
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,640
half joy

1636
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,960
because she knew that she understood

1637
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,000
that joy was the key

1638
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,480
to heaven if you're going to ascend you

1639
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:17,600
you ascend

1640
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,520
on a ladder of joy that's jacob's ladder

1641
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:24,719
is is is is is this

1642
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:28,159
spine in the in in it that is the

1643
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:31,280
the round of ascension joy

1644
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:35,440
now when when when it comes to

1645
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:38,880
jesus until the resurrection there are

1646
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:42,080
a lot of stories myth if

1647
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:45,600
if we will we can even call it folklore

1648
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:48,159
of him traveling not only back to egypt

1649
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:49,040
but over to

1650
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,000
india and he did you know he he he

1651
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:54,080
traveled and learned

1652
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:57,840
my question is this how much of that

1653
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:01,120
is is in reality and then the other part

1654
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:01,840
is

1655
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:05,120
when we talk about the soul and the way

1656
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,520
that

1657
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:07,840
the egyptians looked at it and practiced

1658
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:10,159
it for thousands of years um

1659
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:13,520
how much of that went through

1660
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,719
jesus and then back to jerusalem

1661
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,719
because the conversation of the soul is

1662
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,159
there in the scripture

1663
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:22,640
how much of that did did jesus borrow

1664
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:23,280
when

1665
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:31,040
judaism is in part an evolution of

1666
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,880
egyptian religion and in part a

1667
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:34,320
rejection of it

1668
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,000
the serpent that is the source of

1669
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:40,080
is that it's the spine and the body and

1670
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,600
egyptian religion

1671
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,000
becomes the source of knowledge and

1672
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,920
outside of the body and extremely

1673
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,199
dangerous

1674
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:50,480
in uh the uh in

1675
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:57,030
rejection of and reiteration of

1676
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:00,800
egyptian religion the need to

1677
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:03,920
live a good life survives the

1678
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:06,719
42 laws of ma'at are condensed into the

1679
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,320
ten commandments

1680
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:10,159
and very well done by the way it's a

1681
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:17,669
now jesus comes along

1682
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:20,880
and the following happens

1683
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,320
he grows up at the age of 12 he goes to

1684
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:25,920
the temple

1685
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:29,120
and he's brilliant and

1686
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:33,120
what is so strange is

1687
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:36,400
that a brilliant

1688
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:39,840
a divine a divinity wouldn't ask

1689
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:43,280
questions he wouldn't need to but young

1690
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,080
jesus

1691
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,120
who is actually probably not a divinity

1692
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,480
but a transcendent genius child

1693
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,480
asks questions and the questions are

1694
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:54,560
terribly impressive

1695
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:58,800
but they're questions the questions of

1696
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:01,679
a brilliant human being not the

1697
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:04,880
pronouncements of a god

1698
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:08,159
then he says i have to he tells his

1699
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,960
parents

1700
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:10,800
when they find him after searching

1701
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:12,560
desperately for him

1702
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,840
well i'm have to be about my father's

1703
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:16,239
business

1704
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,440
then he proceeds to disappear from the

1705
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:21,920
from the history from the narrative for

1706
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:24,080
years and years

1707
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:27,360
and when he does return

1708
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:30,960
from egypt apparently he is

1709
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,320
a he is he is marked with the marks of a

1710
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:36,960
magician he says so himself

1711
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,040
and he is empowered he

1712
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:44,960
goes to the jordan river

1713
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:49,440
he is baptized by john that is to say

1714
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:53,120
he is baptized in the blood

1715
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:56,320
of the jewish people in that

1716
01:18:03,270 --> 01:17:59,679
in that water

1717
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:03,280
and thus empowered comes

1718
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:06,719
striding out of the desert

1719
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,000
after his experience there and begins

1720
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:12,239
his ministry

1721
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:15,920
he brings with him ideas

1722
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:19,120
that reflect to

1723
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:22,719
some extent judaism but to some extent

1724
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:26,560
also the very ancient solar religion

1725
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:29,360
that started with the cult of osiris and

1726
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:30,239
in

1727
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:39,280
would say the sun god adonis who was

1728
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:40,880
incidentally

1729
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:44,560
worshipped in the same cave in bethlehem

1730
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:47,840
where jesus was supposedly born if you

1731
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,040
if the bethlehem story is true so

1732
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:54,239
it's it's all mixed up and

1733
01:19:03,189 --> 01:18:58,640
in a in in in the gospel writers

1734
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:03,199
were trying to make sense of something

1735
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,840
that was so strange and so completely

1736
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:08,239
incredible

1737
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,560
that they really did not have the

1738
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,320
intellectual equipment

1739
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,000
to do it in fact i don't think we do

1740
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,080
today i don't think we could make

1741
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,280
if jesus did the same things today

1742
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,120
that he did then i don't think we could

1743
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:23,280
make sense of it either

1744
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,719
but but we can look at it now from a bit

1745
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:28,000
of distance and that's

1746
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,920
what i'm trying to do with with jesus a

1747
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:31,280
new vision now

1748
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:34,080
let's i want to go back to your point uh

1749
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:34,719
and i'm sure

1750
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:37,120
everybody just sat forward and said to

1751
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,760
themselves

1752
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,560
whitley said what yeah well really you

1753
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:41,600
said

1754
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,880
you're asking some really open-ended

1755
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,159
complicated questions

1756
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:48,719
and well let's let's go back well you

1757
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:50,000
know if i can

1758
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:51,920
if i can do this to whitley strieber

1759
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:54,480
i've i've won

1760
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:57,520
but yeah maybe let's back up for a

1761
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:58,000
second

1762
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:01,040
you said when he came back from egypt he

1763
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:02,239
had the mark of

1764
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:06,000
a magician yeah let's let's expand on

1765
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:07,360
that

1766
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,040
what what are we referencing here

1767
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:10,639
directly because we think of me

1768
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,000
magician we think david copperfield

1769
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,480
oh i know well we must not think that

1770
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:18,719
that this is a very different world

1771
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,600
that we're talking about very different

1772
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:24,480
indeed and there were two

1773
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,679
two types of healers in this world the

1774
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:28,880
doctors

1775
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:32,159
who basically were they

1776
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:39,830
medicines and these medicines

1777
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:42,800
definitely did not work and in fact they

1778
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:45,360
had a reputation for killing people

1779
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:48,880
with with their cures and

1780
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:51,920
not much different than today well it's

1781
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,840
considerably different a lot of doctors

1782
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:54,960
are damn good today

1783
01:21:02,390 --> 01:20:58,560
thank evans right listen in those days

1784
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,400
when you had a uh play a pandemic which

1785
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:04,000
would talk about later

1786
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,920
everybody got it and everybody

1787
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,239
the half the people in rome of the roman

1788
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:12,560
population would die at one point in a

1789
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:16,639
in a pandemic but in any case um

1790
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:20,239
in jesus's time the other healers

1791
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:23,360
were magicians and

1792
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,960
how they healed is really very unclear

1793
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:28,239
now

1794
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:32,159
um toth the great

1795
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:35,520
egyptian magician of legend

1796
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:39,520
used to heal the blind by

1797
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,960
taking spittle and rubbing it on their

1798
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,960
eyes and he could heal the blind that

1799
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:45,760
way

1800
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,159
that's how jesus healed the blind man he

1801
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:50,480
did the same thing he used spittle and

1802
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:54,080
and uh rubbed it on the man's eyes twice

1803
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,360
which is exactly

1804
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:57,520
the procedure that is prescribed in the

1805
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:00,080
magical the egyptian magical texts

1806
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:02,080
meaning that he was using an egyptian

1807
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,239
method an egyptian ritual

1808
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,360
it probably worked but why because

1809
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:09,440
believe me if you if you're gonna cure a

1810
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,120
blind person you're not going to do it

1811
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,080
now by saying okay i'm going to cure you

1812
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:16,320
and spit on his eyes it's not going to

1813
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:17,600
work

1814
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:20,880
it did then and it did then because

1815
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:23,679
what we know of as the placebo effect

1816
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:26,880
and we dismiss it as the placebo effect

1817
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:30,560
was actually an incredibly powerful

1818
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:33,679
healing tool that worked using

1819
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:37,120
the person's own bottle body

1820
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:40,639
their own internal ability to heal

1821
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,280
in ways that we have almost completely

1822
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,560
forgotten

1823
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:47,520
so it wasn't it wasn't about jesus like

1824
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:48,960
going one fish

1825
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:52,480
two fish right it wasn't like a a magic

1826
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:52,880
trick

1827
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:56,000
the story of the fish and the uh the

1828
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:59,520
the story of the fish is a is a it's

1829
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,360
it it's i don't want to get into it

1830
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:03,280
because it's a mathematical

1831
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:06,239
it's a it's a it's a mathematical ritual

1832
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:06,800
and

1833
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,239
uh it's signific it is

1834
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:12,239
it'll bore people if we start talking

1835
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:13,600
about the

1836
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:17,360
the myth of this but jesus was also

1837
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:20,639
a brilliant understood mathematics

1838
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:21,520
brilliantly

1839
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:24,960
and uh mathematics were

1840
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:28,239
very connected to divinity

1841
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:31,520
in those days the the the perfect

1842
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,040
numbers were considered

1843
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:36,400
to be the voice of god himself they were

1844
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:37,280
they were

1845
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:40,639
the numbers of power were very important

1846
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:43,040
and we've lost that completely we have a

1847
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:44,080
much more

1848
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:48,159
emotional and heart-centered uh vision

1849
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,480
of

1850
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:51,360
deity now than they did then at least in

1851
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:51,840
the

1852
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,360
traditions

1853
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:58,320
in this missing part of jesus life uh

1854
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:58,719
when

1855
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,600
he was in egypt do the egyptians write

1856
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:02,960
about it is there anything in the

1857
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:06,000
historical record outside of the bible

1858
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:09,280
no not not to my knowledge uh if if it

1859
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,800
was ever written about it it was lost

1860
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,639
and i i don't think it would be because

1861
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:16,480
he would have been

1862
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:20,320
he was probably the son of a worker i

1863
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:20,880
mean i

1864
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:24,400
i don't think he was uh

1865
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:27,120
was i don't think that they were wealthy

1866
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:27,440
uh

1867
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:30,719
i think that um that

1868
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:34,320
uh he what happened in jesus's

1869
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:37,840
early childhood was that the

1870
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:46,310
and andy roman zealot

1871
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,159
called judas has nothing to do with the

1872
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,480
jews judas of the gospels

1873
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:52,800
uh broke into the town of cepherus the

1874
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,639
city of sephiros which was a few miles

1875
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,239
from nazareth

1876
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,440
and he opened the armory and got all of

1877
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,120
the weapons out of it

1878
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,560
and was helped by the people of sephiros

1879
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:07,120
and he then began to range around the

1880
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:08,560
countryside

1881
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:11,440
raping women and stealing from anyone

1882
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:12,719
who had been

1883
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:16,320
um who who was identified as

1884
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,000
being pro-roman and as a carpenter jesus

1885
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:22,400
joseph wouldn't have had any source of

1886
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:23,520
income except

1887
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:26,000
working in cephas therefore for the

1888
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:27,360
romans

1889
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,280
so he would have had every reason to

1890
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:30,960
leave the area

1891
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:34,480
with his wife and his the little boy

1892
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:36,639
who may or may not have actually been

1893
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,840
his son

1894
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,040
uh because uh the the

1895
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,920
the woman would would be in danger and

1896
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,520
so would he

1897
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,920
and so they probably did did leave and

1898
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:49,600
go to go to

1899
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:53,600
first to bethlehem and then on to egypt

1900
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:56,159
would be my guess now when when he gets

1901
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,280
back

1902
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:59,440
uh from egypt uh you said that he

1903
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,000
started his ministry

1904
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:05,040
at at that point um

1905
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:08,480
how were the how did how did the

1906
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:11,440
disciples get assembled how did his team

1907
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,910
well he

1908
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:22,070
he was he was he has to have been

1909
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,280
incredibly charismatic

1910
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,080
and authoritative when he first went

1911
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,320
back to nazareth

1912
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:33,199
they said what is this going on here i

1913
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:34,159
mean what is this

1914
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,199
we know him we know you and he's

1915
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,840
he's gone crazy his family thought he'd

1916
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,440
gone insane

1917
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:43,520
but and it's a very telling moment in

1918
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:44,800
the in the gospel of

1919
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:47,520
the earliest gospel which is not matthew

1920
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:47,920
that's

1921
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,320
simply traditionally the first gospel in

1922
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:52,400
fact we know that the earliest gospel

1923
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:52,719
was

1924
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:55,840
70 a.d

1925
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:58,560
probably in rome but possibly in galilee

1926
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,280
we're not

1927
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,560
certain i would vote for rome but

1928
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:04,320
other others would might vote for

1929
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:06,159
galilee in any case

1930
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:09,280
um it calls him jesus the son of

1931
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:12,960
mary this is very important because it

1932
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:15,040
means that he was not

1933
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:18,480
the son of joseph and they knew that

1934
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:21,840
that joseph had apparently adopted him

1935
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:25,520
and he was considered a bastard

1936
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,080
because the idea of the virgin birth

1937
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,679
doesn't come along until a good bit

1938
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:30,880
later

1939
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,679
becomes the son of joseph because they

1940
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,639
realized

1941
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:43,440
that the mark markian gospel was

1942
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:45,040
revealing something that they did not

1943
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:47,120
necessarily want revealed

1944
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:50,719
and and to go back just briefly

1945
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,199
to the infancy gospel if he was

1946
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:54,719
considered

1947
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:58,159
the child of an unwed mother uh he would

1948
01:28:02,550 --> 01:27:58,800
have been

1949
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:02,560
teased and mocked in that society a good

1950
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,280
deal

1951
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,120
and that would have con probably

1952
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:07,120
explained his

1953
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:10,159
his very belligerent childhood he was

1954
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,199
always hating children

1955
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:13,679
and getting in fights and the reason

1956
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:23,510
now when he comes back

1957
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,149
he goes first to john the baptist

1958
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:31,120
and then there is the period in the

1959
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:32,800
wilderness

1960
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state of

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01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:38,800
deep meditation and contemplation

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01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,679
probably not

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01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:41,040
literally wandering in the desert

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01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:42,239
although in that part of the world he

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01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:43,760
could have been easily

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01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,440
because there's a lot of there still is

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01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,679
a lot of desert there it's not changed

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01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:49,440
that much

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01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:53,120
and the description

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01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:56,320
in the gospels of what happened to him

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01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:59,440
in the desert is

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01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:02,800
very important because

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01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:06,719
it describes someone seeing

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01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:16,709
attach us to

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01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,080
lust for the things of the world and he

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01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,239
rejects this

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01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,440
he he does not accept it

1978
01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:28,560
and when he comes back he has now

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01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:31,630
committed himself to

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01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,880
[Music]

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01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:35,199
the good which in the gospel of mary

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01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:35,920
it's not

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01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:38,560
god is not called god in the gospel of

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01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,199
mary

1985
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:41,040
god is simply called the good and it's a

1986
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:42,400
much better way

1987
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:45,199
of looking at this enigmatic presence

1988
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:48,080
that is the source of this universe

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01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:50,400
because as soon as we personalize it as

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01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:51,520
god

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01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:53,679
we make it into a human form in our

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01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:56,159
minds unintentionally

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01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:59,120
it's it is not that it is a it is an

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01:30:03,270 --> 01:29:59,920
abstract

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01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:03,280
presence that my wife after her

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01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:06,080
passing when she was working with me on

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01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:08,000
afterlife revolution

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01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:11,440
described as the yearning

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01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:15,280
for that she described it as the

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01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:17,120
yearning that lies

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01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:21,199
beneath gravity that is the yearning

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01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:25,199
under all reality and in the

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01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:28,239
in the book she left a book open as she

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01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:29,280
died

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01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:32,480
here in this office it's a long story

2006
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,000
but the book was open to

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01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:36,000
a book called physics from fisher

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01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:37,440
information

2009
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:41,040
and it was open to a page in which

2010
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:45,280
there was i mean yellow marks a lot

2011
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:49,120
underlined the phrase

2012
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:52,880
the big bang happened as

2013
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:56,000
a single primordial quest

2014
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:59,199
for knowledge and now we can turn

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01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,840
back to your question about

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01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:02,719
consciousness

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01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:10,800
front moving forward seeking knowledge

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01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:14,480
all knowledge eventually all knowledge

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01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:16,960
will become part of consciousness

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01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:20,159
including each one of us all that we

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01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:21,760
have ever been

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01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:24,960
not only in this life but in all of the

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01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:28,719
ways and we have been in the physical

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01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:35,590
but when jesus came back

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01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:38,960
he's after he left home he went he

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01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:42,080
left he said well you know basically

2027
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:44,000
you know you can't i can't do anything

2028
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:45,280
here with you

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01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,199
and he went back to he went down to

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01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:49,679
confirm him and began to walk along the

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01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:50,639
shore

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01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:54,400
saying to these people come follow me

2033
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:56,960
and it doesn't mean literally only

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01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:58,960
literally follow me get up

2035
01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:01,679
and drop your nets and your fishing gear

2036
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:02,080
and

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01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:05,440
walk with me it means be

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01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:08,800
as i will teach you i

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01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:12,239
am here to teach you how

2040
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:15,440
to connect with the good

2041
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:17,679
this is his and then the next thing you

2042
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:18,960
have

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01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:23,679
jesus enunciates the beatitudes

2044
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:26,639
probably the most extra certainly the

2045
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:28,960
most extraordinary moral statement ever

2046
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:29,360
made

2047
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:33,360
in the western world uh

2048
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:36,320
and uh for my book i re-translated them

2049
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:37,440
myself

2050
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:40,880
uh they're you know there's nothing

2051
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,600
nothing unique about my translation but

2052
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:45,360
i

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01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:52,960
book would be

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01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:54,880
my own understand what would reflect my

2055
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:56,719
own understanding of the words

2056
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:59,040
well let me uh i've got to take a break

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01:33:01,750 --> 01:33:00,800
right here in network break whitley so

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01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:01,760
when we come back

2059
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:05,280
i want to hear your translation i'm uh

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01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,320
i'm blown away uh by this conversation

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01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:10,639
and let's take our break right here our

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01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:12,000
guest tonight willie strieber

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01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:15,360
i am engaged

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on the game changer network and kgra the

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planet i'm your host jimmy church more

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01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:20,880
with whitley after this short break stay

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[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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not of course you do

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this is jimmy churchill fade to black

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future of our country and where we're

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headed do you wonder about the food

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supply

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chain could be disastrous

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you can do today

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is to stockpile emergency food water

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is on radio ciao

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:08,159
host jimmy church tonight whitley

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strieber we will get back to whitley in

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there you go our guest tonight whitley

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01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:32,960
strieber whitley

2164
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:36,800
um you did you say before the break

2165
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:39,840
my greek you speak

2166
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:43,520
you speak greek uh i don't speak greek

2167
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:46,320
god help me i wish i could right yeah i

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01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:46,639
i

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sort of a

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01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:05,920
scholar of greek or latin but i i did

2171
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:08,560
some of the translations myself yes now

2172
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:09,280
weren't

2173
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:12,239
um and again i'm not a religious scholar

2174
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:12,639
but

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01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:16,719
uh um it's my understanding that

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01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,800
most of the books most of the gospels

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01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:20,639
were written in greek right

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01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,639
and then translated all written in greek

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01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:25,199
yes and they're not written by

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01:39:29,950 --> 01:39:27,760
greek you know they were not written by

2181
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:29,960
uh

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01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,600
elegantly educated people

2183
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:35,600
the gospels are simple greek they're

2184
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:37,679
very simple the simplest one actually

2185
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,480
the most

2186
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,480
easiest one to translate is the gospel

2187
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:42,239
of john

2188
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:45,600
mark is a rough greek it uh

2189
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,719
it's written in uh in a less

2190
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,239
you know it's written by somebody who

2191
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:54,960
who could write but not that well

2192
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:58,239
and and not not not with anything close

2193
01:40:02,390 --> 01:39:59,119
to the

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01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:02,400
grammatical elegance that is is possible

2195
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:03,520
in that language

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01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:05,679
with its many verbs and for different

2197
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:09,199
verb tenses and so forth um

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01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,040
the the

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01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,119
epistles of paul are a very different

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01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:17,119
story he he knew what he was doing when

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01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,669
he was a obviously a very well-educated

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01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:25,280
man

2203
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:28,960
but the jesus

2204
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:32,320
probably spoke aramaic i would my guess

2205
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,280
is he was not literate

2206
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:37,280
there's no reason to there's no

2207
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,440
indication anywhere

2208
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,920
that jesus was littered except in one

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place

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01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:46,960
it is mentioned that he sent a

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01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,320
a letter was sent by him to

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01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:53,360
the king of um

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01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:02,709
and he

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01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:05,030
and that that may mean that he was

2215
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:05,840
actually

2216
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,920
literate and could write or it may

2217
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:09,840
simply mean that he had a letter written

2218
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,199
for him which was the commonplace

2219
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:13,840
practice in those days

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01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:16,560
the roman in the roman empire in the

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outside of

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01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:20,400
the big few of the major capitals like

2223
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:23,760
alexandria rome and athens

2224
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:26,000
the vast majority of people were

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01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:27,920
illiterate and never had access to

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01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:28,880
teachers

2227
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,000
like growing up in nazareth if that's

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01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,080
indeed where jesus grew up he would

2229
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,480
never have had access to a teacher

2230
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,560
because what teacher would come out to

2231
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:40,159
nazareth

2232
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:43,520
for what reason we've archaeology

2233
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:46,560
in nazareth has never turned up anything

2234
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:47,440
except

2235
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:53,280
least valuable coin in the in in that

2236
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:54,960
world at that time

2237
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:58,080
it was a very poor place a lot of the

2238
01:42:00,390 --> 01:42:00,000
houses in nazareth and there are not

2239
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:00,400
were

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01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:05,119
with uh

2241
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:08,239
other words these were people who were

2242
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:09,040
still

2243
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:12,880
to as extense to living in caves um

2244
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:16,159
very simple this is another thing about

2245
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:19,199
jesus if he really came from nazareth

2246
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:22,239
he was really incredible because

2247
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:25,440
this is no this is this is a this is not

2248
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,719
just a genius

2249
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,199
this is a transcendent genius and if

2250
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,199
there is any argument for him

2251
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:34,080
actually being god that's this is the

2252
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:35,199
argument

2253
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,400
that his genius was beyond the human

2254
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:40,800
and certainly beyond the capability of

2255
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:41,600
anyone

2256
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,310
so anyway the greek the greek of the

2257
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:50,400
gospels is easy to translate

2258
01:42:54,310 --> 01:42:52,880
i'm not a i'm not i'm not a great

2259
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,320
scholar myself

2260
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,719
i would have more trouble with paul i

2261
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:58,800
have to admit

2262
01:43:02,229 --> 01:43:01,280
you can tell on paul's uh writing in the

2263
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,239
bible it it

2264
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:04,960
it it's it goes up a few notches not

2265
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:05,360
just

2266
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:08,000
one yeah yeah no no question about it

2267
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,199
okay the first translation

2268
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,760
of the beatitudes yes you want to read

2269
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:15,440
it i do

2270
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,520
beloved are the spiritual searchers for

2271
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:20,080
they will be welcomed in heaven

2272
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:24,159
and uh the uh the uh

2273
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:28,080
uh this is this is my first

2274
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:31,119
beatitude and i'm gonna

2275
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:34,880
just grab here uh

2276
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:37,360
the other transla i didn't i don't have

2277
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:39,199
the other the regular translations with

2278
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,669
my second translation is beloved or the

2279
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:49,600
sad

2280
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:54,320
for they will be made cheerful

2281
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:57,440
and it is the first one is

2282
01:44:01,189 --> 01:44:00,719
blessed are the poor in spirit in the

2283
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:01,199
old

2284
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,199
in the regular translation but that's

2285
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:05,440
not actually what it says

2286
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:09,760
it it is a the it's much closer

2287
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:12,480
to searchers in spirit than it is poor

2288
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:13,440
in spirit

2289
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,960
the word poor is used in the in the

2290
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:18,880
conventional translation

2291
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:21,040
and it makes it sound it makes it very

2292
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:22,800
hard to understand what are they talking

2293
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:23,360
about

2294
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:26,880
what is poor in spirit uh and it

2295
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,760
it means that who are uninformed in

2296
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:30,960
spirit

2297
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:34,320
and i turned that around to mean

2298
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,600
spiritual searches a more literal

2299
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:39,440
translation of the first beatitude would

2300
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,080
be

2301
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,800
blessed are those who lack spiritual

2302
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,159
knowledge

2303
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,239
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven but

2304
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:48,320
then that doesn't really make sense

2305
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:50,239
because all you have to do is be

2306
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:51,840
ignorant of spiritual knowledge

2307
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:54,239
knowledge and go to heaven that's why i

2308
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,199
use spiritual

2309
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,920
searchers because it's the beatitudes

2310
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:58,560
are

2311
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:02,480
jesus's life was so much about

2312
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:06,080
action acting on behalf of the good

2313
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:08,239
within you and around you

2314
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:11,520
acting um

2315
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:14,480
and blessed are the sad for they will be

2316
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:15,360
made

2317
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:18,960
cheerful um now

2318
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,510
the word in that in in

2319
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:28,320
greek that's used that we they call

2320
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:29,199
comforted

2321
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:34,159
is much stronger it in i think that

2322
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,560
uh mourning and comfort sort of go

2323
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:38,400
together

2324
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:41,520
and which is why we end up with uh

2325
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:44,320
comfort but the word is different the

2326
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:45,520
word is

2327
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,560
really literally cheerful that they will

2328
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:50,159
not just be

2329
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:53,280
comforted but they will be made happy

2330
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:56,560
cheerful um

2331
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,000
and then blessed are the meek for they

2332
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:02,239
will inherit the earth the word meek is

2333
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:03,360
used

2334
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:06,400
but the actual word means gentle and

2335
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:08,560
strong

2336
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:10,880
so i have blessed are the gentle but

2337
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:12,080
strong

2338
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:15,600
for the earth is theirs and

2339
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:17,840
not that they will inherited it hit

2340
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:20,239
because we're already here

2341
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:23,440
the earth is uh it those who are

2342
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:27,040
gentle with the land and strong

2343
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:29,440
in its support and its protection who

2344
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:30,880
are good

2345
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:38,950
good landsman will

2346
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:42,560
be the owners and the controllers of the

2347
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:43,040
earth

2348
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:46,639
going to be

2349
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:49,440
become a very difficult place to live

2350
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:50,320
and

2351
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:56,080
are the ones who are much more likely to

2352
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:57,440
survive

2353
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,800
in coming times well it

2354
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:03,440
takes on a whole other meaning yeah

2355
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:05,199
exactly a whole whole other meaning i

2356
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:06,719
mean the meek shall inherit the earth

2357
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:08,800
it's so ingrained

2358
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:12,560
right right what does the word meek mean

2359
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:14,880
i mean little people shuffling along in

2360
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:16,960
sandals behind everybody else or

2361
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:20,480
what well i always looked at it um

2362
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:23,760
in a more modern context when i think of

2363
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:27,679
uh those like me right i'm the meek

2364
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,679
right i don't control the earth i'm not

2365
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:31,280
some powerful i'm not

2366
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:33,679
you know i don't run a company i'm just

2367
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:34,960
a dude

2368
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:38,000
so you could insert meek with

2369
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:41,440
dude right or just the average and i've

2370
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:43,119
always looked at it like that

2371
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:46,400
you know for those of us uh out there

2372
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:48,000
that don't feel like we're winning

2373
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:50,719
well we're the meek but eventually we'll

2374
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:52,000
inherit the earth and we're going to

2375
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:53,679
take it from

2376
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:57,040
uh remo remove it from those in power

2377
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,440
i think that's you know it's a it's a

2378
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,960
it's uh

2379
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:03,440
how do i say this it's a modern way of

2380
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:04,400
looking at it

2381
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:06,560
it's a it's a pop culture way but it's

2382
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:08,080
so ingrained

2383
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,639
we've heard the term so many times i

2384
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,480
mean how do we interpret it

2385
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:14,400
um i want to ask you this really quick

2386
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:15,920
uh

2387
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:19,360
um back then take us to that period

2388
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:22,719
in jerusalem when his ministry

2389
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:25,199
is gaining strength did he have

2390
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,159
competition

2391
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:29,440
whitley was sure was christianity

2392
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:32,159
the competition were there others like

2393
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:33,679
jesus

2394
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,159
talking about god and christianity

2395
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:38,239
christianity didn't exist and wouldn't

2396
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:38,800
exist

2397
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,000
for a generation right right after the

2398
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:44,159
after that jesus passed into the other

2399
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:45,440
world and what i'm

2400
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:47,679
well what i'm referring to is you had

2401
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:48,800
all of the other

2402
01:48:53,669 --> 01:48:51,199
gods uh you had what was going on in

2403
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:53,679
greece and what was going on in rome and

2404
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:55,520
in the pagan side of things and

2405
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,520
certainly everything inherited through

2406
01:49:00,950 --> 01:49:00,480
egypt as well yet all of that and then

2407
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:00,960
this

2408
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:04,560
new wave coming in were they speaking

2409
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:05,520
about

2410
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:14,950
uh that's hard to tell

2411
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:18,000
because there is some indication that

2412
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:19,199
there were

2413
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:22,719
competitors to jesus but

2414
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:25,679
whether or not they were there then or

2415
01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:29,679
invented later is another story right

2416
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:33,280
probably if you had gone

2417
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:37,040
back to that era

2418
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,159
and to those places you would have had a

2419
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:43,040
hard time even finding jesus

2420
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:47,199
he had a magical practice

2421
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:50,239
and a teaching ministry

2422
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:53,679
in galilee which was an area known for

2423
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:54,639
its

2424
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:57,520
rebellion and and it was very cow during

2425
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:00,320
the time of jesus because the romans had

2426
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:04,080
sacked sephiroth and killed at least a

2427
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,440
couple of thousand

2428
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:08,320
of its citizens by crucifying them on

2429
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,440
the hills

2430
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:11,520
around the city and sold the children

2431
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:13,599
and women into slavery

2432
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:14,880
you know the romans were not to be

2433
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:21,910
and so when he began to preach

2434
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:23,679
what would have been thought of in those

2435
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,520
days as sedition

2436
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:28,560
in galilee he didn't get much of a

2437
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:30,239
following

2438
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:34,000
and therefore he went down to jerusalem

2439
01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:37,360
to get to try to

2440
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:41,599
raise a more to get get more

2441
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:44,639
of a response because the jews in

2442
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:47,679
the city of jerusalem were very unhappy

2443
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,400
with a priesthood that was in service to

2444
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:52,400
the romans and

2445
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:54,480
a government that was extremely

2446
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,239
expensive

2447
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:58,639
they were they were having to sacrifice

2448
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:00,159
and pay a lot

2449
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:03,520
and they it was not a happy city and

2450
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:12,470
being heard and

2451
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:15,599
being listened to his

2452
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:18,639
ministry in galilee was was something of

2453
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:21,199
a failure for this reason

2454
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,320
but what happened when he went to

2455
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:26,239
jerusalem

2456
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:29,840
gets me to the mystery

2457
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:34,880
that underlies all of this all of it

2458
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:37,920
jimmy because there was something

2459
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:41,840
else going on here what was it

2460
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:44,560
it has to do with what happened in that

2461
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,080
tomb

2462
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:48,880
now i when i bring up the shroud of

2463
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:49,440
turin

2464
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:52,400
people all immediately have a knee-jerk

2465
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:58,149
discovered to be a fraud it's a medieval

2466
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,599
forgery

2467
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:01,920
and we like that answer because it makes

2468
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:03,920
us comfortable

2469
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:07,440
the real truth true answer is incredibly

2470
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:10,960
uncomfortable it is that there is

2471
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,679
plenty of scientific evidence that i

2472
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:15,760
detail in the book

2473
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:23,390
that that carbon dating that shows

2474
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:26,320
conclusively that something

2475
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:29,440
very very strange

2476
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:33,440
happened to that piece of cloth

2477
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:37,360
to be specific the body in it

2478
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:40,159
which was dead and impartial rigor

2479
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:41,119
mortis when

2480
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:44,800
this happened turned into

2481
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:48,239
a highly energetic form

2482
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:52,960
of uh that that sent a blast of neutrons

2483
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:56,239
through the shroud and he turned

2484
01:53:02,950 --> 01:52:59,280
into light

2485
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:02,960
which is how he was then seen

2486
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:07,119
and there follows the most interesting

2487
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:10,880
once you accept that this happened

2488
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:13,520
and the science is really solid i mean

2489
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:14,400
people are

2490
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:16,239
people don't want to believe it because

2491
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:18,960
it it means that our own

2492
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:22,560
tools that we use to deny

2493
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:25,840
and diminish the soul and to say it

2494
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:27,920
doesn't exist and so we're okay

2495
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:30,080
we don't have to live to the good

2496
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:31,840
because we just basically have to live

2497
01:53:36,629 --> 01:53:34,480
this life and then we're gone and that's

2498
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,639
all there is and we don't have to worry

2499
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:38,320
about we don't we don't have to look at

2500
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:39,440
ourselves

2501
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:42,480
we just have to enjoy our egotistical

2502
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,119
journey through life and

2503
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:47,760
and eat of the fruit of the tree yeah

2504
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:48,400
party

2505
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:53,199
different

2506
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,960
and the truth is contained in that

2507
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:00,159
shroud

2508
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:06,800
is indeed the strangest and most

2509
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:10,320
inexplicable thing on this planet

2510
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:13,679
it's extraordinary it was it was

2511
01:54:21,669 --> 01:54:18,480
hit the surface of it was hit

2512
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:21,679
by a burst of neutrons there is no other

2513
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:22,000
way

2514
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,840
to explain that image on it

2515
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:27,920
and it and if you if you look at the

2516
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:31,360
science carefully as has been done

2517
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:33,679
you find that there were would have been

2518
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:36,320
neutrons and some protons

2519
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:39,520
but what in the world caused a body

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01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:43,920
to turn into that and then to be seen

2521
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,560
afterwards by people they could see it

2522
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:48,960
they could even

2523
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:52,000
allegedly touch it but i i'm not so sure

2524
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:53,599
that's the case

2525
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,480
now uh they have uh

2526
01:55:01,830 --> 01:55:00,480
and but then here's the another

2527
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:01,840
fascinating

2528
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:05,199
thing about this this event

2529
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:07,360
jesus you would think well he's turned

2530
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,440
into a being of a light

2531
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:12,239
he is in what in those worlds were world

2532
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,679
that world would be called

2533
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:15,679
a god people would have believed he was

2534
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:17,599
a real god

2535
01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:21,199
so why doesn't he walk down

2536
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:24,239
walk up up out of the garden

2537
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:27,520
and right through the walls

2538
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:31,360
into jerusalem and declare his kingdom

2539
01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:34,480
the new kingdom is here

2540
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:37,119
he would have changed the world why

2541
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:38,960
didn't he do it why didn't he go into

2542
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:40,719
herod and go dude i'm back

2543
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:44,639
because that's the end of time right

2544
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:47,280
and and let me explain what he did

2545
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:48,639
instead

2546
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:52,080
he immediately left the area

2547
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:55,280
for galilee and

2548
01:56:02,629 --> 01:55:58,880
was extremely careful about

2549
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:02,639
who he met he met just enough people

2550
01:56:09,470 --> 01:56:06,000
to make sure that his message would be

2551
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:09,480
transmitted and these people were

2552
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:13,599
inflamed these people

2553
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:16,639
they and think of yourself doing this

2554
01:56:22,709 --> 01:56:19,679
they literally dropped everything and

2555
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:22,719
walked out into a hostile world with

2556
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:25,280
nothing and began going into these

2557
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:26,320
crowded

2558
01:56:29,669 --> 01:56:29,040
little cities filled with superstitious

2559
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:29,679
people

2560
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:32,960
with no police and very little law

2561
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:34,800
and they would stand in the middle of

2562
01:56:38,229 --> 01:56:36,159
the forum and begin

2563
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,239
shouting about this man who the romans

2564
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:40,719
had killed and he'd come back to life

2565
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:44,320
and they'd seen it with their own eyes

2566
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:47,440
you don't do that as if it's not true

2567
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:50,400
you don't give up your life for

2568
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:51,280
something that

2569
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,480
somebody told you or you want to believe

2570
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:56,560
you give up their life because you

2571
01:57:03,470 --> 01:57:01,040
saw it and they did they saw this

2572
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:03,480
and then at the moment of the

2573
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:05,760
transfiguration

2574
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:08,800
the apostles who were with him

2575
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:12,880
and who saw that they witnessed

2576
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:16,239
what the end of time will bring

2577
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:19,520
in the sense that they had completed

2578
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:20,960
their journey

2579
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:24,960
through time they no longer needed

2580
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:28,880
to live in in the world

2581
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:31,679
of change and time they were finished

2582
01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:33,119
complete

2583
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:36,719
souls and that's why they could

2584
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:39,840
experience that at that moment

2585
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:42,480
because they had nothing more to learn

2586
01:57:46,790 --> 01:57:43,280
they were

2587
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:46,800
transcended now we've only got

2588
01:57:50,629 --> 01:57:48,560
two minutes before the break and we'll

2589
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:50,639
continue when we come back

2590
01:57:57,750 --> 01:57:53,840
but um i i want to be clear on something

2591
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,760
didn't the apostles describe

2592
01:58:02,629 --> 01:57:59,360
when they saw him again after the

2593
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:02,639
resurrection he was a person

2594
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:04,960
right it wasn't he wasn't a ghost he

2595
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:06,400
wasn't a

2596
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:09,199
you know beaming rays of light it was

2597
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:11,760
jesus standing right in front of them

2598
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:13,440
well that's what they saw until the

2599
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,800
transfiguration

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01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,560
turned into when he was revealed as a

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being of light right right right right

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right

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01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:22,719
how do you how do you with a straight

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01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,000
face

2605
01:58:28,229 --> 01:58:26,639
explain that and you've got gladiators

2606
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:28,239
right i mean you've got

2607
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:30,560
roman soldiers around you you've got

2608
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:31,280
everybody

2609
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:34,960
observing you um well you could wind up

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01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:35,520
on a cross

2611
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:37,920
very careful he was very careful about

2612
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:39,679
who saw him and who didn't

2613
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:41,760
no i'm talking about i'm talking about

2614
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:42,880
them uh

2615
01:58:49,189 --> 01:58:46,800
uh and their testimony about the event

2616
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:49,199
i mean that's that's just great risk you

2617
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:50,719
can wind up

2618
01:58:57,430 --> 01:58:54,080
on a cross oh yeah

2619
01:58:58,149 --> 01:58:57,440
people did right none of the original

2620
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:58,159
group of

2621
01:59:01,990 --> 01:59:00,800
disciples who went went to to spread his

2622
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,000
teachings survive they were

2623
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:04,080
all killed every one of them and

2624
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:05,520
imprisoned

2625
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:10,320
right i mean roman prisons were no jokes

2626
01:59:16,229 --> 01:59:10,880
but

2627
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:16,239
really very depressing indeed

2628
01:59:21,030 --> 01:59:17,920
the paul was lucky that he only got

2629
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:21,040
beheaded because he was a roman citizen

2630
01:59:24,870 --> 01:59:23,280
let's take our break right here let's uh

2631
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,880
let's get it out of the way we've got so

2632
01:59:27,750 --> 01:59:26,639
much more to talk about we've got one

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segment left

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with whitley strieber i am your host

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[Applause]

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you want to know a secret i love

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ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

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02:04:00,790 --> 02:03:59,840
why fade to black because you never got

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02:04:05,109 --> 02:04:00,800
that pony

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02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:07,350
this is fade to black with jimmy church

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02:04:24,700 --> 02:04:09,679
on the game changer radio network

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02:04:27,910 --> 02:04:24,710
and kgra the global radio alliance

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02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:27,920
[Music]

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02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:29,679
welcome back fade to black i am your

2747
02:04:34,870 --> 02:04:31,199
host jimmy church i guess tonight

2748
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:34,880
whitley strieber his new book is jesus a

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02:04:38,390 --> 02:04:35,520
new

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02:04:39,830 --> 02:04:38,400
vision and you go to unknowncountry.com

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it's right there

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and uh go and check it out and before

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okay

2754
02:04:48,069 --> 02:04:46,719
whitley um uh we've got a decision to

2755
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:48,079
make right now

2756
02:04:54,870 --> 02:04:51,360
so i'm gonna ask you this directly kind

2757
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:54,880
sir since we are such close friends

2758
02:05:00,709 --> 02:04:58,320
all right we've got a lot to discuss

2759
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:00,719
um and either i'm going to compact it

2760
02:05:04,790 --> 02:05:02,800
all into one segment

2761
02:05:06,149 --> 02:05:04,800
or you can hang out with this for a

2762
02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:06,159
little overtime

2763
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:09,040
um at the bottom of the hour yeah let's

2764
02:05:15,350 --> 02:05:09,840
do it okay

2765
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:18,950
the the gods

2766
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:22,320
of ancient egypt which bled over

2767
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:25,360
into greece of course and then

2768
02:05:29,669 --> 02:05:26,639
eventually wound up

2769
02:05:33,910 --> 02:05:29,679
versions of that wound up in in

2770
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:33,920
rome but if we go back

2771
02:05:40,709 --> 02:05:37,040
before the time of jesus

2772
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:40,719
was there another son of god

2773
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:48,229
you mean another person like jesus yes

2774
02:05:53,109 --> 02:05:49,280
yes because

2775
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:53,119
i i see i see similarities

2776
02:05:57,350 --> 02:05:56,880
going on uh and i think that all of us

2777
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:57,360
can

2778
02:06:03,109 --> 02:06:00,719
go wow there's some things that happened

2779
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:03,119
with you know some of the gods and the

2780
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:05,199
ancient gods of egypt that are

2781
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:07,840
very i get where you're coming from the

2782
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:11,040
moral clarity of the teaching of jesus

2783
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:15,040
stands alone in the on planet earth

2784
02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:18,560
there is no other

2785
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:21,920
moral teacher of

2786
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:25,360
this clarity

2787
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:28,880
uh buddha is a great teacher

2788
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:32,880
uh in in the

2789
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:37,920
in in hinduism and islam you find

2790
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:40,960
great teachings but there is

2791
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:44,239
nowhere else except in the teachings of

2792
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:45,599
jesus

2793
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:48,960
that the moral journey

2794
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:52,239
is concentrated into so

2795
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:55,520
few words that's the power of the

2796
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:57,440
beatitudes

2797
02:07:02,149 --> 02:06:59,840
there's no other place no other teaching

2798
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:02,159
on earth like that

2799
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:05,599
and if you live by the beatitudes you

2800
02:07:11,030 --> 02:07:09,119
you are also living by necessarily by

2801
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:11,040
the ten commandments by the forty-two

2802
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:12,639
laws of maha

2803
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:16,880
and by really all of the journeys of

2804
02:07:20,709 --> 02:07:17,520
goodness

2805
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:20,719
that there are but

2806
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:24,079
not only are you living by them if you

2807
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:26,480
really get into the deeply into the

2808
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:27,840
beatitudes

2809
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:30,639
what do they mean to me and how can i

2810
02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:31,440
express

2811
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:35,679
this in my life and how can i

2812
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:39,760
experience these feelings in in my

2813
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:42,079
daily life as i am moving through the

2814
02:07:48,629 --> 02:07:44,239
world

2815
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:48,639
you go on an incredibly rich spiritual

2816
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:49,840
journey

2817
02:07:54,069 --> 02:07:52,560
and you realize after a while i want

2818
02:07:57,189 --> 02:07:54,079
this i want to make this my

2819
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:57,199
life this is this is what i want

2820
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:00,320
i want to be

2821
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:02,960
a creature of these beatitudes i want to

2822
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,960
belong to them

2823
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:06,639
and there's nothing else in the world

2824
02:08:12,350 --> 02:08:09,199
like it i don't think

2825
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,360
do you um do you see

2826
02:08:16,870 --> 02:08:15,040
similarities in other religions around

2827
02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:16,880
the world where

2828
02:08:22,069 --> 02:08:19,119
you know it's like the the old game of

2829
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:22,079
telephone that we grew up with

2830
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:25,679
where the teachings of jesus and his

2831
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:28,719
life through the game of telephone

2832
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:32,400
went into other religions where they may

2833
02:08:38,069 --> 02:08:35,440
have had their own representation of it

2834
02:08:39,589 --> 02:08:38,079
but it was based on what went down in

2835
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:39,599
jerusalem

2836
02:08:42,629 --> 02:08:41,679
well it it actually goes the other way

2837
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:42,639
too uh

2838
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:46,320
there's a definite echo of buddhism in

2839
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:49,599
the jesus teachings and this is probably

2840
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:50,000
because

2841
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:52,960
buddhist monks were in the area in that

2842
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:54,000
they would have been

2843
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:57,199
traveling with with uh with

2844
02:09:02,310 --> 02:09:00,719
with traders along the silk road and

2845
02:09:03,910 --> 02:09:02,320
that that would have meant that they

2846
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:03,920
would have been headed right to

2847
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:05,360
alexandria

2848
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:08,639
down through palestine uh with with

2849
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:12,159
with their goods and so it's very likely

2850
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:14,480
that jesus came into contact

2851
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:18,320
with such people and uh

2852
02:09:25,189 --> 02:09:22,560
that and in fact it we know also

2853
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:25,199
that there was a buddhist influence in

2854
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,199
the sorbonne in uh

2855
02:09:30,470 --> 02:09:29,760
medieval uh france because of the

2856
02:09:33,910 --> 02:09:30,480
teachings

2857
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:33,920
of the great theological

2858
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:36,079
genius meister eckhart who comes in the

2859
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:38,880
14th century

2860
02:09:43,350 --> 02:09:40,960
so buddhism played a role in

2861
02:09:48,550 --> 02:09:43,360
christianity

2862
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:48,560
christian teaching plays a definite role

2863
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:50,000
in islam

2864
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:53,520
i don't see it so much in

2865
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:55,679
hinduism although there is a connection

2866
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:56,880
obviously

2867
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:00,719
between krishna and christ the christ

2868
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:03,760
idea and krishna are

2869
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:07,119
are very similar in many respects

2870
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:10,239
uh the the

2871
02:10:18,550 --> 02:10:14,000
the concentration of egyptian

2872
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:18,560
religion on the process of ascension

2873
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:22,560
is very definitely

2874
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:26,079
influences jesus's teaching

2875
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:29,360
because it was an ascension teaching and

2876
02:10:33,910 --> 02:10:32,400
judaism as he lived it in those days was

2877
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:33,920
not so

2878
02:10:38,310 --> 02:10:36,800
directed toward ascension the kingdom of

2879
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:38,320
heaven

2880
02:10:45,030 --> 02:10:41,760
was not a journey really

2881
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:45,040
that not certainly in the in the

2882
02:10:52,310 --> 02:10:49,280
uh uh greco-roman pantheon

2883
02:10:54,629 --> 02:10:52,320
in those religions the

2884
02:10:56,069 --> 02:10:54,639
journey of the soul was very vague

2885
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:56,079
vaguely understood

2886
02:11:03,030 --> 02:10:59,360
and shill the the

2887
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:03,040
jewish land of the soul was

2888
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:05,679
a kind of afterthought almost the

2889
02:11:10,229 --> 02:11:06,800
religion

2890
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:10,239
judaism was about living not about

2891
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,840
ascending the only real ascension

2892
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:15,360
religion in that area

2893
02:11:21,270 --> 02:11:18,480
and that time was the egyptian religion

2894
02:11:21,780 --> 02:11:21,280
and jesus brought that idea of ascension

2895
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,790
into

2896
02:11:26,229 --> 02:11:23,119
[Music]

2897
02:11:29,750 --> 02:11:26,239
palestine and into the jewish world

2898
02:11:33,830 --> 02:11:29,760
and uh began to say

2899
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:33,840
that the soul can be perfected

2900
02:11:38,310 --> 02:11:35,920
that's what the beatitudes are about and

2901
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:38,320
it's what the parables are about

2902
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:42,320
do you think that um and i certainly see

2903
02:11:47,030 --> 02:11:43,920
these connections whitley

2904
02:11:51,589 --> 02:11:47,040
where i sit back and go this is

2905
02:11:55,109 --> 02:11:51,599
too much of a coincidence in that

2906
02:11:58,470 --> 02:11:55,119
resurrection is prevalent

2907
02:12:01,109 --> 02:11:58,480
in many spaces right and and the

2908
02:12:02,069 --> 02:12:01,119
other part about that is when we're

2909
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:02,079
talking about

2910
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:04,639
resurrection and the ascension are we

2911
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:06,000
talking about

2912
02:12:12,550 --> 02:12:11,280
is heaven the universe and not

2913
02:12:14,790 --> 02:12:12,560
necessarily

2914
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:14,800
a place in the clouds where angels hang

2915
02:12:24,550 --> 02:12:21,189
i don't think we understand

2916
02:12:27,270 --> 02:12:24,560
the nature the full extent

2917
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:27,280
of reality well enough to make a

2918
02:12:31,030 --> 02:12:28,880
decision about what

2919
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:31,040
what heaven is it's certainly a state of

2920
02:12:36,229 --> 02:12:33,520
mind and

2921
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:36,239
jesus said it many times the kingdom is

2922
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:39,040
within you right now

2923
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:42,000
well that that's why annie was always

2924
02:12:48,629 --> 02:12:43,679
talking about

2925
02:12:51,589 --> 02:12:48,639
joy and i asked her once uh

2926
02:12:54,310 --> 02:12:51,599
enlightenment what was enlightenment and

2927
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:54,320
she said enlightenment is what happens

2928
02:12:57,510 --> 02:12:56,320
when there is nothing left of us but

2929
02:12:59,510 --> 02:12:57,520
love

2930
02:13:02,229 --> 02:12:59,520
and that doesn't necessarily mean you

2931
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:02,239
have to be dead and beyond this life

2932
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:04,800
in order to to be in the kingdom of

2933
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:05,520
heaven

2934
02:13:10,229 --> 02:13:07,360
if you're in that state you're in the

2935
02:13:13,750 --> 02:13:10,239
kingdom of heaven during this life

2936
02:13:16,790 --> 02:13:13,760
just as jesus said you could be isn't it

2937
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:16,800
written like when we look at it in those

2938
02:13:21,430 --> 02:13:18,079
terms

2939
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:21,440
it's almost like and i'm not saying this

2940
02:13:27,030 --> 02:13:24,480
negatively i'm just saying this as fact

2941
02:13:29,830 --> 02:13:27,040
it's almost like science fiction and

2942
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:29,840
when you go back that far in history

2943
02:13:34,629 --> 02:13:30,960
where they didn't

2944
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:34,639
have the ideas of

2945
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:37,360
an arthur c clarke right they did they

2946
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:38,320
didn't have

2947
02:13:41,910 --> 02:13:40,320
but they certainly wrote about it and

2948
02:13:44,069 --> 02:13:41,920
spoke about it

2949
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:44,079
in terms that they shouldn't have had

2950
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:45,599
that kind of knowledge unless

2951
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:53,510
well i'm i'm not quite sure where you're

2952
02:13:56,830 --> 02:13:54,400
going there

2953
02:13:58,229 --> 02:13:56,840
i'm talking about resurrection light

2954
02:14:01,589 --> 02:13:58,239
beings uh

2955
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:01,599
heaven angels uh voices

2956
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:05,440
from the the from the uh all of that

2957
02:14:11,669 --> 02:14:08,480
is amazing science fiction yeah

2958
02:14:14,709 --> 02:14:11,679
they were they were much more open

2959
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:14,719
to things like that i think that i think

2960
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:15,440
that

2961
02:14:22,550 --> 02:14:19,920
drugs were certainly in use in

2962
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:22,560
in many of those religious practices in

2963
02:14:27,270 --> 02:14:24,800
this in particular in the

2964
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:27,280
in the religious mysteries of the roman

2965
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:29,040
and greek worlds

2966
02:14:38,790 --> 02:14:33,599
but i don't think i would agree

2967
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:38,800
uh that that jesus was

2968
02:14:41,830 --> 02:14:40,400
involved with the use of drugs or that

2969
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:41,840
the eucharist was

2970
02:14:48,069 --> 02:14:45,360
a mushroom or something uh because his

2971
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:48,079
his teachings are too grounded they're

2972
02:14:57,589 --> 02:14:48,719
not

2973
02:14:59,189 --> 02:14:57,599
right right right exactly they they

2974
02:15:08,149 --> 02:14:59,199
don't have the

2975
02:15:11,830 --> 02:15:08,159
uh uh quality as the stories of

2976
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:11,840
the ascension of osiris and and

2977
02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:15,360
of adonis and the other sun gods at all

2978
02:15:21,990 --> 02:15:18,400
or the are the stories of the

2979
02:15:26,069 --> 02:15:22,000
of the the greek gods which

2980
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:26,079
have a they have a very hallucinatory

2981
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:28,400
quality to them and you think you would

2982
02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:30,079
think that

2983
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:32,000
people were were probably given

2984
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:33,760
hallucinatory drugs in the

2985
02:15:41,430 --> 02:15:36,880
in the um in the mysteries

2986
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:45,350
induced by the ceremonies to have

2987
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:49,119
organized to have predictable

2988
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:52,239
visions of of of the gods that they

2989
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:54,239
expected to see

2990
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:56,719
um you know there's a wonderful story

2991
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:59,040
diana walsh basuka who wrote american

2992
02:16:02,830 --> 02:16:00,560
cosmic

2993
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:02,840
wrote a terrific book before that about

2994
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:04,320
purgatory

2995
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:08,960
in ireland

2996
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:11,920
and there were many stories about

2997
02:16:15,189 --> 02:16:13,199
purgatory

2998
02:16:17,350 --> 02:16:15,199
and about people who had gone in that

2999
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:17,360
cave and seen it themselves

3000
02:16:24,229 --> 02:16:20,639
all through the middle ages but then the

3001
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:24,239
renaissance comes along and people begin

3002
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:24,800
to see

3003
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:27,040
things very differently they begin to

3004
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:27,840
see

3005
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:31,520
the world not through the eyes of

3006
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:35,200
visionaries through visionary eyes

3007
02:16:38,309 --> 02:16:37,679
but through eyes that are much more

3008
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:38,319
grounded

3009
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:41,280
in reality and they went into the

3010
02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:43,280
purgatory cave and came back reporting

3011
02:16:49,750 --> 02:16:46,160
they hadn't seen anything but a cave

3012
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:49,760
and so purgatory eventually was closed

3013
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:50,639
the cave

3014
02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:52,960
ceased to be a place of pilgrimage

3015
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:53,679
because

3016
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:55,920
people who had gone there and seen these

3017
02:17:01,910 --> 02:16:57,439
extraordinary things now

3018
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:01,920
saw just a cave and in that sense

3019
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:05,120
all of this is somewhere within us

3020
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:08,639
until you get to jesus and the shroud of

3021
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:10,160
turin

3022
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:14,000
and it comes out into the physical

3023
02:17:21,030 --> 02:17:17,439
world and it this doesn't surprise me

3024
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:21,040
because i've been i've experienced and

3025
02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:22,960
many people listening right now have

3026
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:25,120
experienced souls

3027
02:17:29,110 --> 02:17:28,319
other souls in in a semi-physical state

3028
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:29,120
i

3029
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:39,200
upstate new york and

3030
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:41,840
said he was from he didn't say this in

3031
02:17:45,669 --> 02:17:43,439
words he didn't speak

3032
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:45,679
but he indicated that he was from

3033
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:47,840
between the lives

3034
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:50,559
and i meditated with him as i said

3035
02:17:55,190 --> 02:17:51,519
earlier i believe

3036
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:55,200
a lot i'm from wheat months

3037
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:57,359
until we lost the cabin in fact the

3038
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,519
night before we lost the cabin i said to

3039
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:01,599
them this will be the last night

3040
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:03,519
i will ever be in this room i will never

3041
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:05,439
enter it again did you ever have

3042
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:07,439
conversations i meant to ask you

3043
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:10,559
uh did you ever have conversations about

3044
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:11,760
god and jesus

3045
02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:15,439
uh with them no no why not the only

3046
02:18:19,589 --> 02:18:16,000
thing they

3047
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:19,599
the grace ever said to me was when i was

3048
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:20,719
praying one night

3049
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:24,559
listen to him calling on his gods

3050
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:27,679
i don't have any gods anymore

3051
02:18:34,070 --> 02:18:30,800
but i do have the good

3052
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:34,080
i am absolutely

3053
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:36,639
devoted to and hopefully connected with

3054
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:37,439
the good

3055
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:41,040
this is what my life has become

3056
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:44,080
i try every single moment of my life

3057
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:47,280
to live out of love compassion

3058
02:18:53,110 --> 02:18:51,120
and humility the visitors

3059
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:53,120
the first lesson i got from them when

3060
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:55,599
they started to

3061
02:19:01,509 --> 02:18:58,160
stop beating me up and started to

3062
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:01,519
respond to my desire to learn more

3063
02:19:08,230 --> 02:19:04,880
uh was a lesson in humility

3064
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:08,240
and subsequently

3065
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:11,519
my journey has been very much the

3066
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:12,399
journey annie

3067
02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:16,000
outlined when she said enlightenment

3068
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:17,920
is what happens when there is nothing

3069
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:19,760
left of us but love

3070
02:19:26,870 --> 02:19:24,000
how can i journey toward that love

3071
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:26,880
i asked her you know compassion is the

3072
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:27,599
binding

3073
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:31,120
between love and humility

3074
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:34,000
you can't be compassionate unless you

3075
02:19:40,950 --> 02:19:37,280
have humility and love in your soul

3076
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:40,960
and i asked her i'm so curious about

3077
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:42,639
compassion because what is it

3078
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:44,479
what is it is it giving a quarter to a

3079
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:46,960
beggar or i guess a dollar nowadays

3080
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:50,399
or uh helping the poor and

3081
02:19:55,349 --> 02:19:53,520
what what exactly is compassion because

3082
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:55,359
how can i be compassionate towards

3083
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:57,359
somebody who's murdered my friend or my

3084
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:59,120
child

3085
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:02,479
where is that compassion where where do

3086
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:04,000
i find it

3087
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,359
and this is very important to me and her

3088
02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:10,000
answer was really very simple

3089
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:13,040
she said each of us

3090
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,240
is all we have

3091
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:18,880
and when you think about that and you

3092
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:21,040
look at the other person

3093
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:24,560
someone drives i was witness

3094
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:28,080
a few years ago to a hit and run where a

3095
02:20:32,389 --> 02:20:31,040
elderly woman was killed and i saw the

3096
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:32,399
car driving off

3097
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:34,080
but i couldn't see the license plate i

3098
02:20:38,389 --> 02:20:35,520
was too far away

3099
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:38,399
it all happened a couple of blocks away

3100
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:39,520
from me

3101
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:42,800
but i felt such contempt and hatred

3102
02:20:47,830 --> 02:20:45,359
for the whoever was driving that car

3103
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:47,840
because they didn't want to even stop

3104
02:20:53,750 --> 02:20:50,479
to help the woman because they only

3105
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:53,760
cared about themselves

3106
02:20:59,990 --> 02:20:56,880
how do i bring my compassion to

3107
02:21:00,309 --> 02:21:00,000
them yeah i don't know i i don't know if

3108
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:00,319
you

3109
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:09,840
yeah it's the this is not getting to

3110
02:21:13,990 --> 02:21:10,319
this

3111
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:14,000
the journey but it is

3112
02:21:20,309 --> 02:21:17,200
definitely trying to be on the road now

3113
02:21:22,389 --> 02:21:20,319
okay now this is gonna uh this is gonna

3114
02:21:23,670 --> 02:21:22,399
set us up for after the break when we go

3115
02:21:25,990 --> 02:21:23,680
into overtime

3116
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:26,000
uh you mentioned the big bang earlier

3117
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:28,880
and i loved your context

3118
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:32,000
um the world of physics today in

3119
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,560
science and i hope that i don't get

3120
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:36,720
struck by lightning and this is heresy

3121
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:37,120
but

3122
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:46,479
is that god the creation of the universe

3123
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:49,040
at the start of time at the beginning of

3124
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:49,760
everything

3125
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:53,280
no the answer is no it is not and i will

3126
02:21:56,479 --> 02:22:01,349
when the universe started

3127
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:05,510
it formed there were already

3128
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:09,600
laws there was math before there was

3129
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:12,000
the reality as we know it there has to

3130
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:12,800
have been

3131
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:15,280
or it wouldn't deform the way it did

3132
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,000
there's even

3133
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:18,319
one of the formed according to a group

3134
02:22:21,910 --> 02:22:19,760
of constants

3135
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:21,920
there's one constant called the fine

3136
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:23,439
structure constant

3137
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:25,920
which is very strange we can understand

3138
02:22:29,110 --> 02:22:28,000
all of the other constants the planck

3139
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:29,120
constant

3140
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:35,520
where it's the closest two things can be

3141
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:37,040
without touching that's the planck

3142
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:38,640
consonant and we can measure that

3143
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:40,960
and we can understand why it is what it

3144
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:42,319
is

3145
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:45,920
but not the fine structure constant

3146
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:48,960
which is the the one constant

3147
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:51,760
that the whole form of the universe

3148
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:53,280
depends upon

3149
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:56,640
and it drove a great physicist

3150
02:23:01,750 --> 02:22:59,760
nuts uh wolfgang paulie he went

3151
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:01,760
in the down the road of mysticism and

3152
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:03,120
became a friend of sigmund

3153
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:06,880
of uh carl jung the mystical psychiat

3154
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:10,080
psychologist uh in tr in

3155
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:14,880
in his journey to understand

3156
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:18,080
why this constant was as it was

3157
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:22,160
it is as if this constant

3158
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:25,920
arbitrary with no apparent

3159
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:29,280
reason behind it no rule

3160
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:31,359
that makes it necessary it is simply

3161
02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:33,520
what it is

3162
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:37,200
is the is the shadow of god

3163
02:23:41,030 --> 02:23:39,520
yeah he's the only well he's not the

3164
02:23:44,790 --> 02:23:41,040
only

3165
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:44,800
but he's certainly powerful in the way

3166
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:48,000
that him as a physicist

3167
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:50,720
literally went to the mountaintop right

3168
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:51,359
yeah

3169
02:23:58,309 --> 02:23:54,399
he did he did he went to the mountaintop

3170
02:24:02,070 --> 02:23:58,319
and and seeking answers and and

3171
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:02,080
and seeing if there was a uh a religious

3172
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:04,000
spiritual connection

3173
02:24:07,349 --> 02:24:06,000
to all of this and maybe that's the

3174
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:07,359
answers that science

3175
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:10,880
is struggling with and i i hold him in

3176
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:13,120
the highest regards man he oh i do too i

3177
02:24:16,950 --> 02:24:14,399
think he was

3178
02:24:17,590 --> 02:24:16,960
he was certainly a fabulous wonderful

3179
02:24:19,190 --> 02:24:17,600
mind

3180
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:19,200
the wonderful thing about the human

3181
02:24:24,070 --> 02:24:21,600
species it has a habit of

3182
02:24:25,910 --> 02:24:24,080
throwing off these blessed and glorious

3183
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:25,920
minds like him or

3184
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:30,080
uh our our more recent ones uh

3185
02:24:35,030 --> 02:24:34,319
uh we had uh uh stephen hawking who was

3186
02:24:49,429 --> 02:24:35,040
a

3187
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:49,439
mind

3188
02:24:56,150 --> 02:24:53,680
but they were all united in one thing

3189
02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:56,160
they wanted to believe that

3190
02:24:59,990 --> 02:24:56,880
consciousness

3191
02:25:01,110 --> 02:25:00,000
is within us not that we are within

3192
02:25:02,710 --> 02:25:01,120
consciousness

3193
02:25:05,190 --> 02:25:02,720
they just couldn't figure out why they

3194
02:25:07,510 --> 02:25:05,200
couldn't get the math together

3195
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:07,520
and they're well they still can't i mean

3196
02:25:12,150 --> 02:25:09,040
the question of

3197
02:25:13,590 --> 02:25:12,160
what is uh what is consciousness and

3198
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:13,600
where is it

3199
02:25:17,510 --> 02:25:16,000
isn't is so far unnatural it's known as

3200
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:17,520
the hard problem and

3201
02:25:21,590 --> 02:25:19,280
you know what's going to happen by the

3202
02:25:26,389 --> 02:25:21,600
way tell me

3203
02:25:29,030 --> 02:25:26,399
we're going to develop very quickly

3204
02:25:30,630 --> 02:25:29,040
now within the lifetimes of most people

3205
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,640
listening to this

3206
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:32,880
there will be machines that are much

3207
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:39,750
will they become conscious i know

3208
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:42,960
i know there is um uh uh

3209
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:46,560
fineman uh brian greene speaks about

3210
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:47,760
this today

3211
02:25:52,870 --> 02:25:51,920
um uh and so do other physicists in that

3212
02:25:55,349 --> 02:25:52,880
the way that

3213
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:55,359
they are trying to get these answers is

3214
02:25:59,990 --> 02:25:56,000
just

3215
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:00,000
maybe the smallest of particles

3216
02:26:05,510 --> 02:26:03,120
the smallest of anything has a little

3217
02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:05,520
teeny tiny bit of consciousness

3218
02:26:09,270 --> 02:26:07,920
in it and then when you get a mass of

3219
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,280
something together

3220
02:26:12,870 --> 02:26:11,520
like our brain and those neurons start

3221
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:12,880
firing off

3222
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:16,080
it's the collection of those atoms and

3223
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:17,280
particles

3224
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:20,640
where consciousness is mast and that's

3225
02:26:24,469 --> 02:26:21,680
where it comes from

3226
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:24,479
and it's a very interesting theory but

3227
02:26:26,790 --> 02:26:25,680
they're trying to figure it out they

3228
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:26,800
don't have the answers

3229
02:26:32,230 --> 02:26:29,520
and that little uh how do i say this

3230
02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:32,240
that little black and white

3231
02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:35,920
right statement that is tangible to them

3232
02:26:39,190 --> 02:26:38,080
it makes sense because they don't want

3233
02:26:41,429 --> 02:26:39,200
to go

3234
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:41,439
spiritual right they don't want to cross

3235
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:42,479
the line

3236
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:45,680
they want it to be chemistry they

3237
02:26:53,030 --> 02:26:49,120
they will discover there is no line

3238
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:53,040
that they are where that there is no

3239
02:26:59,190 --> 02:26:56,479
spiritual versus physical

3240
02:26:59,670 --> 02:26:59,200
that the physical world is the spiritual

3241
02:27:02,790 --> 02:26:59,680
world

3242
02:27:05,910 --> 02:27:02,800
why are they so scared of it

3243
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:05,920
i think it's because they haven't made

3244
02:27:12,630 --> 02:27:09,120
contact with themselves

3245
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:12,640
and that there is a there is a joy

3246
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:13,359
within

3247
02:27:18,790 --> 02:27:17,120
us that actually doesn't care about any

3248
02:27:22,070 --> 02:27:18,800
of that

3249
02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:22,080
and once you once you begin to

3250
02:27:27,910 --> 02:27:25,840
live from that you don't care either

3251
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:27,920
just but you know you know who made that

3252
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:30,720
change that transition was wolfgang

3253
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:33,920
and as soon as um

3254
02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:37,439
he felt like he answered the questions

3255
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:39,600
that he was struggling with

3256
02:27:47,429 --> 02:27:42,800
he was happy he smiled right

3257
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:47,439
and he he changed because he gave in

3258
02:27:50,550 --> 02:27:49,760
right he wasn't fighting it anymore yeah

3259
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:50,560
he

3260
02:28:00,870 --> 02:28:00,000
been my spiritual guide all of my all of

3261
02:28:03,670 --> 02:28:00,880
my adult life

3262
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:03,680
and still is i mean you know she's she

3263
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:04,960
didn't exactly die

3264
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:08,160
she just changed she just changed her

3265
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:12,560
approach and uh

3266
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:16,080
she uh would say

3267
02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:18,399
the human species is too young to have

3268
02:28:23,830 --> 02:28:21,760
beliefs what we need are good questions

3269
02:28:25,510 --> 02:28:23,840
and this is so true i mean we have been

3270
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:25,520
killing each other over these stupid

3271
02:28:30,070 --> 02:28:26,000
beliefs

3272
02:28:32,870 --> 02:28:30,080
for all of history and probably before

3273
02:28:34,150 --> 02:28:32,880
before recorded history and we're still

3274
02:28:39,510 --> 02:28:34,160
doing it

3275
02:28:41,510 --> 02:28:39,520
killing each other over beliefs

3276
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:41,520
religious beliefs and all kinds of other

3277
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:42,720
beliefs

3278
02:28:48,790 --> 02:28:46,640
thing in this planet

3279
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:48,800
and they always are when there's a lot

3280
02:28:52,389 --> 02:28:50,560
of disruption in the

3281
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:52,399
climate change and so forth that's why

3282
02:28:58,230 --> 02:28:56,720
the romans ended up in such a pickle

3283
02:29:01,030 --> 02:28:58,240
which hopefully we'll be able to get

3284
02:29:04,070 --> 02:29:01,040
into a little bit later because

3285
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:04,080
my book is the only place where the

3286
02:29:08,309 --> 02:29:04,640
whole

3287
02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:08,319
sweep of roman history

3288
02:29:12,710 --> 02:29:11,760
from from the time of jesus to the

3289
02:29:15,510 --> 02:29:12,720
collapse of the

3290
02:29:16,550 --> 02:29:15,520
empire is contained in just a few

3291
02:29:19,590 --> 02:29:16,560
chapters

3292
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:19,600
and with it is contained the process

3293
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:23,840
by which jesus ceased to be the teacher

3294
02:29:30,870 --> 02:29:27,520
jesus the nazarene and became

3295
02:29:33,429 --> 02:29:30,880
christ the god in in

3296
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,439
60 seconds or less before we take the

3297
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:35,520
break

3298
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:39,359
were you reticent uh to to publish

3299
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:42,880
were you in any way

3300
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:46,240
uh preparing yourself for you know the

3301
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:47,040
critics and

3302
02:29:52,790 --> 02:29:50,800
and and and possible attacks

3303
02:29:54,150 --> 02:29:52,800
i don't really care anymore i'm the guy

3304
02:29:57,190 --> 02:29:54,160
who spent

3305
02:29:59,110 --> 02:29:57,200
his most of his adult life being laughed

3306
02:30:01,510 --> 02:29:59,120
at for being raped

3307
02:30:02,309 --> 02:30:01,520
i was i'm the rectal probe man hardy

3308
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:02,319
harhar

3309
02:30:06,150 --> 02:30:04,960
right i i dealt with that injury for 20

3310
02:30:09,110 --> 02:30:06,160
years

3311
02:30:09,510 --> 02:30:09,120
of the pain and the struggle that the

3312
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:09,520
the

3313
02:30:14,070 --> 02:30:12,240
scarring that it left and i was laughed

3314
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:14,080
at again and again and again

3315
02:30:19,429 --> 02:30:17,520
so no i'll tell you this i expect to be

3316
02:30:22,870 --> 02:30:19,439
kicked around and i'm not

3317
02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:22,880
afraid of it i'm going to tell my truth

3318
02:30:27,190 --> 02:30:25,760
period that's why you're whitley's

3319
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:27,200
streamer and that's why you're going to

3320
02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:29,120
do some overtime right now so let's take

3321
02:30:32,070 --> 02:30:29,920
all right

3322
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:32,080
a glass of water first absolutely

3323
02:30:35,590 --> 02:30:33,120
whitley strieber

3324
02:30:36,469 --> 02:30:35,600
is with us his new book is jesus a new

3325
02:30:38,270 --> 02:30:36,479
vision

3326
02:30:40,710 --> 02:30:38,280
i want you to go over to

3327
02:30:43,110 --> 02:30:40,720
unknowncountry.com get registered

3328
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:43,120
it is the best website on the web i'll

3329
02:30:45,910 --> 02:30:44,080
be right back

3330
02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:45,920
this is fade to black i'm real jimmy

3331
02:31:00,180 --> 02:30:47,200
church stay with us

3332
02:31:13,110 --> 02:31:00,190
overtime is next

3333
02:31:15,429 --> 02:31:13,120
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3334
02:31:17,349 --> 02:31:15,439
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3335
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:17,359
you are listening to my boy

3336
02:31:33,110 --> 02:31:25,830
despite popular opinion reading a book

3337
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:34,870
this is jimmy church of fade to black

3338
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3339
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3340
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3341
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3346
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[Music]

3404
02:34:51,990 --> 02:34:50,240
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3405
02:34:54,870 --> 02:34:52,000
jimmy church our guest tonight whitley

3406
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:54,880
strieber we're doing some overtime

3407
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:57,359
very excited about this and i've kind of

3408
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:59,200
saved the best for last and as

3409
02:35:03,590 --> 02:35:00,720
all of you know that are listening

3410
02:35:05,429 --> 02:35:03,600
around the world when i get to overtime

3411
02:35:07,429 --> 02:35:05,439
this is where i like to have a little

3412
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:07,439
bit of fun and

3413
02:35:13,910 --> 02:35:11,120
and explore things in in another way

3414
02:35:14,550 --> 02:35:13,920
and with whitley strieber and certainly

3415
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:14,560
this book

3416
02:35:18,950 --> 02:35:17,920
i've got questions and i'm going to

3417
02:35:23,190 --> 02:35:18,960
start with this

3418
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:23,200
whitley um we have

3419
02:35:28,389 --> 02:35:26,960
in in the known universe 1 trillion

3420
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:28,399
galaxies

3421
02:35:34,790 --> 02:35:31,520
to

3422
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:34,800
1 trillion stars each one of those

3423
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:37,680
galaxies with those 1 trillion stars has

3424
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,720
at least 1 trillion planets

3425
02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:43,040
that's a lot of zeros it's a lot of

3426
02:35:47,110 --> 02:35:43,840
planets

3427
02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:47,120
that's a lot of life same god

3428
02:35:54,070 --> 02:35:49,600
on each one of those planets in the one

3429
02:35:57,590 --> 02:35:54,080
trillion galaxies in the universe

3430
02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:00,710
we there was an experiment

3431
02:36:05,030 --> 02:36:03,280
which i mentioned in my previous book a

3432
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:05,040
new world

3433
02:36:12,070 --> 02:36:08,800
carried out in um

3434
02:36:17,349 --> 02:36:12,080
uh the azores where there's a

3435
02:36:20,830 --> 02:36:17,359
a group of very excellent telescopes

3436
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:20,840
and they gathered light from

3437
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:23,760
quasars at opposite

3438
02:36:31,830 --> 02:36:31,349
and ran that light through the double

3439
02:36:35,429 --> 02:36:31,840
slit

3440
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:35,439
experiment which is the

3441
02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:40,720
basic experiment of quantum physics

3442
02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:44,800
that shows that light

3443
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:48,560
is a particle

3444
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:51,600
as a wave until it is observed

3445
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:55,359
when it whereupon it becomes a particle

3446
02:36:59,590 --> 02:36:57,520
and the light from both ends of the

3447
02:37:03,590 --> 02:36:59,600
universe followed the law

3448
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:03,600
precisely to me

3449
02:37:08,030 --> 02:37:06,240
that means that the field of

3450
02:37:16,830 --> 02:37:08,040
consciousness

3451
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:18,070
universally

3452
02:37:22,230 --> 02:37:20,880
that get to your question it's not the

3453
02:37:25,510 --> 02:37:22,240
answer you expected

3454
02:37:29,030 --> 02:37:25,520
but i think it might be the correct one

3455
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:29,040
i had a guest on this show uh many years

3456
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:30,000
ago

3457
02:37:37,349 --> 02:37:33,120
i'm not going to say who it was and

3458
02:37:40,309 --> 02:37:37,359
he said that he was now stay with me

3459
02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:40,319
with this whitley that he was whisked

3460
02:37:45,670 --> 02:37:41,680
away

3461
02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:45,680
uh to a distant star

3462
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:48,800
to a planet and

3463
02:37:55,990 --> 02:37:52,319
he on this planet he

3464
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:56,000
went to a convention

3465
02:38:00,469 --> 02:37:58,960
okay not unlike the conventions that we

3466
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:00,479
have here it's in an

3467
02:38:07,510 --> 02:38:04,479
arena and there's booths and exhibits

3468
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:07,520
and he's walking on this planet walking

3469
02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:08,240
through this

3470
02:38:12,070 --> 02:38:10,960
conference this convention and he comes

3471
02:38:17,110 --> 02:38:12,080
up to a booth

3472
02:38:20,230 --> 02:38:17,120
and at this booth was jesus

3473
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:20,240
signing autographed bibles

3474
02:38:27,429 --> 02:38:24,080
okay now

3475
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:27,439
that is interesting in

3476
02:38:35,349 --> 02:38:31,760
a lot of ways but then he said

3477
02:38:38,389 --> 02:38:35,359
he came back to earth and then

3478
02:38:41,990 --> 02:38:38,399
was visited by the same

3479
02:38:45,670 --> 02:38:42,000
jesus at his home and that jesus told

3480
02:38:49,190 --> 02:38:45,680
him he's

3481
02:38:50,309 --> 02:38:49,200
on every planet now when you hear

3482
02:38:52,389 --> 02:38:50,319
something like that

3483
02:38:54,710 --> 02:38:52,399
is that similar to what you were just

3484
02:38:57,510 --> 02:38:54,720
trying to explain to me with the double

3485
02:38:58,309 --> 02:38:57,520
slit experiment with dual quasars no i

3486
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:58,319
think

3487
02:39:02,790 --> 02:39:00,960
someone was speaking through the lens of

3488
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:02,800
their beliefs

3489
02:39:09,190 --> 02:39:06,960
about uh something that

3490
02:39:10,150 --> 02:39:09,200
they don't fully understand would would

3491
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:10,160
be the

3492
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:13,200
most hopefully accurate way i can

3493
02:39:20,070 --> 02:39:16,240
think of describing it

3494
02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:20,080
they they have a belief in

3495
02:39:29,349 --> 02:39:24,720
jesus as a deity and um

3496
02:39:33,349 --> 02:39:29,359
uh if you're going to uh

3497
02:39:40,389 --> 02:39:36,389
believe the doctrine is

3498
02:39:43,670 --> 02:39:40,399
promulgated in the uh in the uh

3499
02:39:46,790 --> 02:39:43,680
uh in the apostles creed

3500
02:39:48,790 --> 02:39:46,800
or the nicene creed then you have to

3501
02:39:50,469 --> 02:39:48,800
believe that jesus is everywhere in the

3502
02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:50,479
universe

3503
02:39:59,190 --> 02:39:55,040
but why that would be true i don't know

3504
02:40:01,110 --> 02:39:59,200
there may be i would be surprised given

3505
02:40:02,389 --> 02:40:01,120
my experience with the visitors which

3506
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:02,399
has been

3507
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:13,990
i would think that there are

3508
02:40:21,349 --> 02:40:18,830
many different ways of understanding

3509
02:40:25,269 --> 02:40:21,359
goodness in this universe

3510
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:25,279
and not all of them are

3511
02:40:31,990 --> 02:40:28,479
uh not all of them

3512
02:40:38,630 --> 02:40:35,349
at all like ours there may be

3513
02:40:42,389 --> 02:40:38,640
very different relationships

3514
02:40:45,269 --> 02:40:42,399
to reality will for example take

3515
02:40:47,190 --> 02:40:45,279
the bees they don't even see they see

3516
02:40:49,670 --> 02:40:47,200
different light than we do

3517
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:49,680
what if an a highly intelligent species

3518
02:40:54,070 --> 02:40:51,359
has a completely different set

3519
02:40:55,590 --> 02:40:54,080
of uh perception a completely different

3520
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:55,600
perceptual system

3521
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:56,800
it's going to have a completely

3522
02:41:01,750 --> 02:40:59,040
different vision of reality and probably

3523
02:41:04,950 --> 02:41:01,760
an entirely different moral

3524
02:41:09,750 --> 02:41:04,960
moral compass as well and maybe

3525
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:09,760
maybe one that would seem to us to

3526
02:41:12,790 --> 02:41:12,080
transgress our own ideas of good and

3527
02:41:15,269 --> 02:41:12,800
evil

3528
02:41:16,550 --> 02:41:15,279
we can't know the the answers to these

3529
02:41:18,870 --> 02:41:16,560
questions

3530
02:41:20,230 --> 02:41:18,880
and then it gets back to what annie said

3531
02:41:24,469 --> 02:41:20,240
uh we

3532
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:24,479
beliefs we need

3533
02:41:28,309 --> 02:41:26,880
good questions and i think a good

3534
02:41:31,510 --> 02:41:28,319
question is

3535
02:41:33,429 --> 02:41:31,520
what is a moral constant we know the

3536
02:41:34,790 --> 02:41:33,439
fine structure constant exists and the

3537
02:41:35,830 --> 02:41:34,800
other constants that make up the

3538
02:41:38,230 --> 02:41:35,840
universe

3539
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:38,240
are there also constants on a moral

3540
02:41:42,870 --> 02:41:40,160
level in a spiritual level

3541
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:42,880
we don't know that could we could we

3542
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:44,560
handle the truth

3543
02:41:49,349 --> 02:41:47,040
you know there's a lot of talk about uh

3544
02:41:50,710 --> 02:41:49,359
disclosure these days and you're a big

3545
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:50,720
part of that

3546
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:54,240
and of course the the most overused

3547
02:41:58,790 --> 02:41:55,120
statement

3548
02:42:00,870 --> 02:41:58,800
in uh ufology well you know if a flying

3549
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:00,880
saucer lands on the white house lawn

3550
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:05,279
right okay we've heard it all before but

3551
02:42:11,510 --> 02:42:08,640
if that does happen and that ladder the

3552
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:11,520
stairs come down and it's live tv

3553
02:42:20,150 --> 02:42:14,880
and we're all waiting to see e.t for the

3554
02:42:26,870 --> 02:42:23,429
that would mean that we are

3555
02:42:29,990 --> 02:42:26,880
in the hands of the most powerful

3556
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:30,000
practical joker that has ever been known

3557
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:32,960
um right that's what it would mean to me

3558
02:42:35,670 --> 02:42:34,800
you know if would you be surprised if

3559
02:42:39,269 --> 02:42:35,680
that happened

3560
02:42:46,469 --> 02:42:42,950
well i i would be very amused

3561
02:42:49,110 --> 02:42:46,479
and um and i would think that

3562
02:42:51,190 --> 02:42:49,120
it probably was something other than

3563
02:42:53,429 --> 02:42:51,200
what it appeared to be

3564
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:53,439
and i would think that it would be

3565
02:42:57,269 --> 02:42:55,600
conceivably quite dangerous

3566
02:43:00,230 --> 02:42:57,279
do you think it would be e.t just

3567
02:43:02,469 --> 02:43:00,240
messing with us because they know of the

3568
02:43:03,990 --> 02:43:02,479
the icons and the religious icons that

3569
02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:04,000
are around the world and they would just

3570
02:43:08,870 --> 02:43:05,520
be

3571
02:43:10,790 --> 02:43:08,880
imitating this is there is something

3572
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:10,800
very sacred going on here

3573
02:43:15,030 --> 02:43:13,600
and uh i don't think anybody's going to

3574
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:15,040
be playing games like that

3575
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:18,720
yeah yeah yeah um i i i

3576
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:23,520
often wonder um uh with all of this

3577
02:43:31,030 --> 02:43:27,760
that in the event that that happens

3578
02:43:32,150 --> 02:43:31,040
when uh et or any intelligent

3579
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:32,160
civilization

3580
02:43:36,870 --> 02:43:34,479
uh whitley would have a lot of time to

3581
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:36,880
study this planet and to study us

3582
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:40,080
and what we're about and so

3583
02:43:47,349 --> 02:43:43,760
to not freak us out they would

3584
02:43:51,110 --> 02:43:47,359
have to have some kind of persona

3585
02:43:54,230 --> 02:43:51,120
represent them and not necessarily

3586
02:43:55,910 --> 02:43:54,240
them physically as they are right i

3587
02:43:58,630 --> 02:43:55,920
don't know if elvis steps off that

3588
02:44:01,030 --> 02:43:58,640
flying saucer right i don't know

3589
02:44:01,990 --> 02:44:01,040
uh but but they don't want to freak us

3590
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:02,000
out

3591
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:04,800
you know so i i i don't know what they

3592
02:44:09,429 --> 02:44:06,399
want or don't want to do

3593
02:44:12,469 --> 02:44:09,439
no i i do know that

3594
02:44:14,870 --> 02:44:12,479
some of the things that happen here

3595
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:14,880
happen because of

3596
02:44:19,190 --> 02:44:18,160
entities from other worlds and uh but

3597
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:19,200
what they are

3598
02:44:24,870 --> 02:44:22,479
what these entities are and

3599
02:44:27,190 --> 02:44:24,880
what those other worlds are are open

3600
02:44:29,750 --> 02:44:27,200
questions as far as i'm concerned

3601
02:44:32,389 --> 02:44:29,760
um the government started calling ufos

3602
02:44:34,389 --> 02:44:32,399
uaps because

3603
02:44:36,309 --> 02:44:34,399
they describe them as unidentified

3604
02:44:37,670 --> 02:44:36,319
aerial phenomenon because it's not clear

3605
02:44:40,630 --> 02:44:37,680
that they're even

3606
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:40,640
machines it's not clear what they are

3607
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:42,640
that is a great point and you brought up

3608
02:44:49,590 --> 02:44:46,080
uh dr pisoka earlier yeah

3609
02:44:50,389 --> 02:44:49,600
now there has been and i know that

3610
02:44:52,389 --> 02:44:50,399
you're

3611
02:44:54,309 --> 02:44:52,399
on top of your game there's been an

3612
02:44:57,349 --> 02:44:54,319
awful lot of chatter

3613
02:45:01,830 --> 02:44:57,359
in the ufo community and it seems to

3614
02:45:04,870 --> 02:45:01,840
go back to washington and the pentagon

3615
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:04,880
and possibly even the cia that

3616
02:45:10,230 --> 02:45:08,000
there is a religious component here with

3617
02:45:13,510 --> 02:45:10,240
this well there certainly is

3618
02:45:17,110 --> 02:45:13,520
and that's why they bring in people

3619
02:45:19,269 --> 02:45:17,120
who are who have you know anyone as long

3620
02:45:22,790 --> 02:45:19,279
as it's not me

3621
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:22,800
uh diana is a staunch catholic

3622
02:45:30,150 --> 02:45:26,880
and uh that there's a level of comfort

3623
02:45:37,750 --> 02:45:30,160
with that um

3624
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:41,030
there's a level of comfort with people

3625
02:45:44,230 --> 02:45:41,600
who are

3626
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:44,240
part of the conventional religious world

3627
02:45:46,710 --> 02:45:46,240
but i'm not a part of any conventional

3628
02:45:49,750 --> 02:45:46,720
world

3629
02:45:51,670 --> 02:45:49,760
i have become very deeply connected

3630
02:45:53,510 --> 02:45:51,680
with the visitors in all of their

3631
02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:53,520
complexity

3632
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:55,520
because they are very this is a very

3633
02:46:00,630 --> 02:45:57,279
complex presence

3634
02:46:02,710 --> 02:46:00,640
it is not a a bunch of

3635
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:02,720
evil aliens and it is not a bunch of

3636
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:04,080
angels either

3637
02:46:08,389 --> 02:46:06,399
they are more complex than we are and we

3638
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:08,399
are really complex

3639
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:11,760
uh if you if you if humanity

3640
02:46:15,429 --> 02:46:13,760
if there was a pla if we could travel

3641
02:46:18,309 --> 02:46:15,439
the stars

3642
02:46:19,910 --> 02:46:18,319
and we found a planet with a living

3643
02:46:23,429 --> 02:46:19,920
species on it

3644
02:46:25,990 --> 02:46:23,439
intelligent species not like us

3645
02:46:27,269 --> 02:46:26,000
and who had never been able to leave

3646
02:46:30,550 --> 02:46:27,279
their own planet or

3647
02:46:34,870 --> 02:46:30,560
just had only the vaguest inkling of the

3648
02:46:38,469 --> 02:46:36,710
think of what would happen to them when

3649
02:46:41,830 --> 02:46:38,479
we arrived

3650
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:41,840
assuming that anyone could go easily

3651
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:44,000
and and a second i'll get to why that

3652
02:46:50,830 --> 02:46:46,240
might be literally true

3653
02:46:57,110 --> 02:46:53,510
uh

3654
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:57,120
that would mean religious

3655
02:47:01,110 --> 02:47:00,160
people of 100 different religions might

3656
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:01,120
go

3657
02:47:04,309 --> 02:47:03,040
scientists of all kinds of different

3658
02:47:06,790 --> 02:47:04,319
disciplines might go

3659
02:47:07,830 --> 02:47:06,800
academics of all kinds of different

3660
02:47:11,990 --> 02:47:07,840
disciplines

3661
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:12,000
criminals looking to exploit them uh

3662
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:16,399
sadists masochists all kinds of people

3663
02:47:22,469 --> 02:47:20,240
ordinary people just curious might go

3664
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:22,479
and maybe they all would have the same

3665
02:47:27,429 --> 02:47:23,760
one law

3666
02:47:30,389 --> 02:47:27,439
you must not let them

3667
02:47:31,590 --> 02:47:30,399
see who you you or we you will be

3668
02:47:33,830 --> 02:47:31,600
punished

3669
02:47:36,790 --> 02:47:33,840
and if that was the only thing that you

3670
02:47:39,670 --> 02:47:36,800
had to keep yourself hidden

3671
02:47:41,590 --> 02:47:39,680
it would look to them very much like the

3672
02:47:44,950 --> 02:47:41,600
visitors presence looks to us

3673
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:44,960
right now because it would be like their

3674
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:46,240
their presence

3675
02:47:49,269 --> 02:47:48,479
i got into this very deeply with them

3676
02:47:53,750 --> 02:47:49,279
i've been

3677
02:47:56,950 --> 02:47:53,760
most extraordinarily evil things

3678
02:48:01,190 --> 02:47:56,960
you can imagine and have learned also

3679
02:48:04,630 --> 02:48:01,200
from them ways of finding

3680
02:48:06,550 --> 02:48:04,640
my moral focus that are deeper than

3681
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:06,560
anything that any religion

3682
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:09,680
here has ever hoped to teach me

3683
02:48:14,070 --> 02:48:12,640
and yes there's a huge religious

3684
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:14,080
component

3685
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:17,600
and no i don't think that

3686
02:48:24,630 --> 02:48:22,160
trying to address them through the lens

3687
02:48:27,190 --> 02:48:24,640
of our doctrinal religions is going to

3688
02:48:30,230 --> 02:48:27,200
be successful

3689
02:48:33,830 --> 02:48:30,240
no when you say

3690
02:48:37,110 --> 02:48:33,840
when you say evil is it evil

3691
02:48:39,910 --> 02:48:37,120
by our standards do they

3692
02:48:42,710 --> 02:48:39,920
see themselves as bad or negative or

3693
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:47,190
uh no one sees themselves as evil

3694
02:48:50,469 --> 02:48:49,840
right the nazis thought they were doing

3695
02:48:54,150 --> 02:48:50,479
good

3696
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:54,160
right they they thought they were

3697
02:48:58,309 --> 02:48:57,120
accomplishing an extraordinary heroic

3698
02:49:01,910 --> 02:48:58,319
thing

3699
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:01,920
the communists they all think that

3700
02:49:08,309 --> 02:49:04,960
the the people here

3701
02:49:11,429 --> 02:49:08,319
i i spent uh many years

3702
02:49:15,349 --> 02:49:11,439
exploring the inquisition

3703
02:49:19,269 --> 02:49:15,359
and i read a lot of the of the

3704
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:19,279
translated trial documents there's not

3705
02:49:23,429 --> 02:49:21,040
too many i wish i

3706
02:49:25,349 --> 02:49:23,439
my i don't have ver i don't have any

3707
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:25,359
spanish to speak of

3708
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:31,269
it was one thing that i read that i will

3709
02:49:35,910 --> 02:49:33,200
never forget

3710
02:49:38,150 --> 02:49:35,920
and that is that at one of the otto

3711
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:38,160
staffer people were being burned to

3712
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:39,200
death

3713
02:49:47,190 --> 02:49:43,520
for no good reason by basically because

3714
02:49:49,510 --> 02:49:47,200
it was it was an act of insanity

3715
02:49:52,070 --> 02:49:49,520
people had been driven insane by this

3716
02:49:55,349 --> 02:49:52,080
lunatic religion of the time

3717
02:49:58,389 --> 02:49:55,359
and um a little child

3718
02:50:00,150 --> 02:49:58,399
said to his mother that they stank to

3719
02:50:06,389 --> 02:50:00,160
burning

3720
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:06,399
the stench smells sweet

3721
02:50:13,269 --> 02:50:10,640
to jesus and his mother in heaven

3722
02:50:15,990 --> 02:50:13,279
because these are heretics who are

3723
02:50:21,190 --> 02:50:19,910
now what if they bring that level of

3724
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:21,200
madness to us

3725
02:50:27,750 --> 02:50:24,640
right you never know

3726
02:50:29,670 --> 02:50:27,760
right and uh and you know we can't

3727
02:50:31,429 --> 02:50:29,680
we can't address this through the lens

3728
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:31,439
of the doctrine or religions it's simply

3729
02:50:35,110 --> 02:50:32,880
not enough

3730
02:50:37,030 --> 02:50:35,120
or just through the lens of science it's

3731
02:50:40,230 --> 02:50:37,040
not enough

3732
02:50:43,510 --> 02:50:40,240
they are an immensely complex presence

3733
02:50:46,230 --> 02:50:43,520
that is vividly alive spiritually

3734
02:50:47,990 --> 02:50:46,240
and physically and there's no difference

3735
02:50:49,990 --> 02:50:48,000
between the two with them

3736
02:50:52,309 --> 02:50:50,000
you want to experience something

3737
02:50:53,830 --> 02:50:52,319
extraordinary try being out of your body

3738
02:50:55,349 --> 02:50:53,840
with the graves

3739
02:50:56,870 --> 02:50:55,359
i've been there and done that and

3740
02:51:01,750 --> 02:50:56,880
believe me

3741
02:51:05,349 --> 02:51:01,760
it's not like you think uh

3742
02:51:08,790 --> 02:51:05,359
i can't even put it into words

3743
02:51:09,190 --> 02:51:08,800
i can't put it into words jimmy do we

3744
02:51:13,590 --> 02:51:09,200
have

3745
02:51:16,870 --> 02:51:13,600
well and and to that end whitley

3746
02:51:20,630 --> 02:51:16,880
um do we have something to

3747
02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:20,640
fear the government right now

3748
02:51:23,830 --> 02:51:22,960
and certainly the navy and others out

3749
02:51:26,950 --> 02:51:23,840
there

3750
02:51:27,429 --> 02:51:26,960
when they talk about you know ufos and

3751
02:51:30,950 --> 02:51:27,439
et

3752
02:51:32,630 --> 02:51:30,960
and uaps the threat narrative is all we

3753
02:51:34,150 --> 02:51:32,640
really hear right that we have something

3754
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:34,160
to be afraid of

3755
02:51:41,670 --> 02:51:38,160
this the the first mistake that was made

3756
02:51:44,830 --> 02:51:41,680
was made in 1947 when

3757
02:51:47,830 --> 02:51:44,840
this was viewed as a military

3758
02:51:51,030 --> 02:51:47,840
matter we had just come off of world war

3759
02:51:54,230 --> 02:51:51,040
ii uh the communists were rattling their

3760
02:52:01,510 --> 02:51:57,830
and when this

3761
02:52:02,230 --> 02:52:01,520
occurred this appearance of this machine

3762
02:52:06,710 --> 02:52:02,240
this

3763
02:52:08,790 --> 02:52:06,720
distressed machine in roswell took place

3764
02:52:10,870 --> 02:52:08,800
it was thought of as a scout ship from

3765
02:52:14,070 --> 02:52:10,880
another planet and possibly

3766
02:52:16,389 --> 02:52:14,080
the precursor of an invasion force

3767
02:52:18,469 --> 02:52:16,399
because this is the mindset that was

3768
02:52:21,110 --> 02:52:18,479
present then

3769
02:52:22,950 --> 02:52:21,120
and uh that that would probably was

3770
02:52:27,110 --> 02:52:22,960
never what it was

3771
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:27,120
uh in in diana's book tyler calls it

3772
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:28,960
another there's it's another site it's

3773
02:52:34,150 --> 02:52:31,040
not uh roswell

3774
02:52:35,429 --> 02:52:34,160
the donation site because they view it

3775
02:52:37,269 --> 02:52:35,439
as a place where something was

3776
02:52:40,469 --> 02:52:37,279
intentionally crashed

3777
02:52:41,269 --> 02:52:40,479
as a donation to us and certainly a lot

3778
02:52:43,429 --> 02:52:41,279
of

3779
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:43,439
material from there has been has been

3780
02:52:48,389 --> 02:52:45,200
bled out into

3781
02:52:52,150 --> 02:52:48,399
the industrial complex and uh

3782
02:52:55,590 --> 02:52:52,160
uh medical devices have been

3783
02:52:55,990 --> 02:52:55,600
made from it and weapons probably too as

3784
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:56,000
far as

3785
02:53:04,469 --> 02:53:00,080
i know but all of this is

3786
02:53:10,710 --> 02:53:07,830
it all started in the wrong place

3787
02:53:11,750 --> 02:53:10,720
it should have started with philosophers

3788
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:11,760
and

3789
02:53:16,950 --> 02:53:14,880
people who were in on objective

3790
02:53:18,630 --> 02:53:16,960
spiritual journeys not through the lens

3791
02:53:20,150 --> 02:53:18,640
of religious doctrine

3792
02:53:23,349 --> 02:53:20,160
but there weren't people like that

3793
02:53:25,510 --> 02:53:23,359
around who were ready or able to do this

3794
02:53:27,269 --> 02:53:25,520
it just didn't work that way the only

3795
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:27,279
people who

3796
02:53:31,190 --> 02:53:29,600
like art excellence said to me general

3797
02:53:33,830 --> 02:53:31,200
excellent he said

3798
02:53:36,710 --> 02:53:33,840
quickly everyone from truman on down

3799
02:53:40,070 --> 02:53:36,720
knew that this was not of this world

3800
02:53:43,269 --> 02:53:40,080
within 24 hours of our finding it

3801
02:53:49,349 --> 02:53:46,309
but what they didn't know

3802
02:53:52,550 --> 02:53:49,359
was that it was not of this world also

3803
02:53:54,870 --> 02:53:52,560
in a deeply spiritual sense

3804
02:53:57,910 --> 02:53:54,880
and you know when i started out with the

3805
02:54:01,269 --> 02:53:57,920
visitors i was having a hell of a time

3806
02:54:02,230 --> 02:54:01,279
i was engaged with i was treated very

3807
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:02,240
brutally

3808
02:54:10,309 --> 02:54:06,160
i experienced and my wife experienced

3809
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:10,319
things that were truly evil

3810
02:54:15,429 --> 02:54:13,200
and but it was only when i i started

3811
02:54:18,790 --> 02:54:15,439
basically

3812
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:18,800
wanting to understand why could i change

3813
02:54:23,510 --> 02:54:19,680
this

3814
02:54:26,070 --> 02:54:23,520
could i is was there a way for me to

3815
02:54:27,990 --> 02:54:26,080
deal with this it had nothing to do with

3816
02:54:31,269 --> 02:54:28,000
religious doctrine

3817
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:31,279
what changed it was finding

3818
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:35,920
and really working toward the good

3819
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:39,200
now my relationship with the visitors is

3820
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:41,760
through is in that context and that's

3821
02:54:46,630 --> 02:54:43,520
how they relate to me

3822
02:54:47,429 --> 02:54:46,640
they know that i am on a journey toward

3823
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:47,439
the good

3824
02:54:51,269 --> 02:54:48,800
now are you going to really is that

3825
02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:51,279
going to really work out if you're

3826
02:54:55,990 --> 02:54:54,399
dealing trying to deal with them as with

3827
02:54:59,190 --> 02:54:56,000
arms and weapons and

3828
02:55:01,510 --> 02:54:59,200
so forth the answer is no no

3829
02:55:03,670 --> 02:55:01,520
and i'll tell you i know a lot about the

3830
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:03,680
way the grays are and the way they think

3831
02:55:06,790 --> 02:55:05,120
they're going to let these people if

3832
02:55:08,070 --> 02:55:06,800
these people are trying to build weapons

3833
02:55:08,710 --> 02:55:08,080
against them they're going to let them

3834
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:08,720
believe

3835
02:55:14,790 --> 02:55:11,840
that their weapons work but one of the

3836
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:14,800
blonde people told me many years ago

3837
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:17,680
that if you start a war with the greys

3838
02:55:21,670 --> 02:55:19,760
they will never let you win

3839
02:55:23,110 --> 02:55:21,680
and they will never let you stop

3840
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:23,120
fighting

3841
02:55:28,630 --> 02:55:26,399
and he said that i have never heard such

3842
02:55:31,910 --> 02:55:28,640
sadness in a voice

3843
02:55:34,550 --> 02:55:31,920
and i thought to myself he speaks from

3844
02:55:37,590 --> 02:55:34,560
experience

3845
02:55:38,870 --> 02:55:37,600
we don't want to go down that path we

3846
02:55:41,830 --> 02:55:38,880
want to find

3847
02:55:44,070 --> 02:55:41,840
our way with them and that's not going

3848
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:44,080
to be easy and you're not going to do it

3849
02:55:47,910 --> 02:55:46,960
through religion you only are going to

3850
02:55:50,790 --> 02:55:47,920
do it

3851
02:55:52,070 --> 02:55:50,800
through your own goodness and you have

3852
02:55:55,510 --> 02:55:52,080
to fight every

3853
02:55:58,790 --> 02:55:55,520
inch to make your goodness

3854
02:56:00,309 --> 02:55:58,800
matter to them believe me but you know

3855
02:56:02,070 --> 02:56:00,319
the abductees are probably going to be

3856
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:02,080
thrown under the bus anyway when this

3857
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:03,760
starts to come out

3858
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:05,680
now i'm wondering about that too i've

3859
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:07,840
been talking about that for a couple of

3860
02:56:13,110 --> 02:56:10,240
months now what's going to happen uh

3861
02:56:14,870 --> 02:56:13,120
with that community uh you see you see

3862
02:56:17,349 --> 02:56:14,880
you already see the social engineering

3863
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:17,359
starting uh week before last in the new

3864
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:20,160
yorker there was a long puff piece about

3865
02:56:26,870 --> 02:56:23,520
uh elizabeth loftus who is the

3866
02:56:30,550 --> 02:56:26,880
uh the psychologist who specializes

3867
02:56:33,429 --> 02:56:30,560
in false memory syndrome and

3868
02:56:33,750 --> 02:56:33,439
then there was a one of the websites

3869
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:33,760
that

3870
02:56:38,309 --> 02:56:35,760
i believe is associated with the

3871
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:38,319
intelligence community in our world

3872
02:56:41,590 --> 02:56:40,240
recently published a big thing about how

3873
02:56:44,870 --> 02:56:41,600
hypnosis

3874
02:56:47,910 --> 02:56:44,880
uh it creates false memories and

3875
02:56:53,590 --> 02:56:47,920
michio kaku is beating the drums of

3876
02:56:58,070 --> 02:56:55,510
getting in touch with aliens would be a

3877
02:57:00,389 --> 02:56:58,080
terrible idea would be very dangerous

3878
02:57:03,349 --> 02:57:00,399
and he's bound to know of the about the

3879
02:57:05,349 --> 02:57:03,359
abduction phenomenon and i know that uh

3880
02:57:08,150 --> 02:57:05,359
i'm pretty sure stephen hawking was told

3881
02:57:10,309 --> 02:57:08,160
about it when his reaction was uh

3882
02:57:12,389 --> 02:57:10,319
uh it the same it would be extremely

3883
02:57:14,630 --> 02:57:12,399
dangerous to get in touch with aliens

3884
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:14,640
and here are us close encounter witness

3885
02:57:18,870 --> 02:57:15,760
sitting out here

3886
02:57:21,429 --> 02:57:18,880
in touch with aliens and the

3887
02:57:22,950 --> 02:57:21,439
the this whole thing is going to be seen

3888
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:22,960
in the context of a

3889
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:26,240
military confrontation of some kind and

3890
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:27,920
as i say i think we're going to be

3891
02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:30,080
thrown under the bus in two ways

3892
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:34,240
uh the the first way is

3893
02:57:38,550 --> 02:57:37,359
the the media is going to be beating the

3894
02:57:41,030 --> 02:57:38,560
drums that

3895
02:57:42,710 --> 02:57:41,040
it's all false memories forgetting all

3896
02:57:44,070 --> 02:57:42,720
the physical evidence the multiple

3897
02:57:46,150 --> 02:57:44,080
witness evidence

3898
02:57:48,230 --> 02:57:46,160
the enormous amount of human suffering

3899
02:57:49,910 --> 02:57:48,240
that has been involved in this

3900
02:57:51,670 --> 02:57:49,920
forgetting all of that and it's all

3901
02:57:55,190 --> 02:57:51,680
false memories hahaha

3902
02:57:58,389 --> 02:57:55,200
the rectal probe man and his buddies

3903
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:58,399
and so forth on the one hand

3904
02:58:01,590 --> 02:58:01,040
and on the other hand the public ones

3905
02:58:04,150 --> 02:58:01,600
who don't

3906
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:04,160
shut up i think are probably going to be

3907
02:58:08,710 --> 02:58:06,640
shut up

3908
02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:08,720
whitley where can everybody go and

3909
02:58:14,309 --> 02:58:11,200
listen to your podcast you're also

3910
02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:14,319
uh with us on kgra of course

3911
02:58:19,750 --> 02:58:18,000
and there is the new book i'm on kgra

3912
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:19,760
on saturday nights and you can listen to

3913
02:58:24,630 --> 02:58:21,920
it on unknown country.com

3914
02:58:27,910 --> 02:58:24,640
you can listen to it on tune in radio

3915
02:58:29,990 --> 02:58:27,920
you can listen to it on apple podcasts

3916
02:58:31,269 --> 02:58:30,000
whether you're a subscriber to unknown

3917
02:58:32,870 --> 02:58:31,279
country or not

3918
02:58:34,630 --> 02:58:32,880
you can listen to it on our you can

3919
02:58:36,230 --> 02:58:34,640
listen to it as a subscriber or as a

3920
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:36,240
non-subscriber

3921
02:58:40,230 --> 02:58:39,040
uh you can watch on youtube our youtube

3922
02:58:43,990 --> 02:58:40,240
channel is now

3923
02:58:47,030 --> 02:58:44,000
all video when when that works which

3924
02:58:49,990 --> 02:58:47,040
didn't this week but it will next week

3925
02:58:51,830 --> 02:58:50,000
and uh so there's a lot of ways to get

3926
02:58:53,750 --> 02:58:51,840
get to dream land into unknown country

3927
02:58:54,309 --> 02:58:53,760
i've been doing dreamland now for 21

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02:58:57,910 --> 02:58:54,319
years

3929
02:58:59,190 --> 02:58:57,920
incredible yeah and i love it and i love

3930
02:59:01,510 --> 02:58:59,200
it every week

3931
02:59:03,030 --> 02:59:01,520
i just had a great conversation today

3932
02:59:03,910 --> 02:59:03,040
with vaughn brashler and it's going to

3933
02:59:05,990 --> 02:59:03,920
be on

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02:59:08,150 --> 02:59:06,000
friday and it's going to be really cool

3935
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:08,160
and thank you so much whitley and

3936
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:11,520
the new book tell us about that

3937
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:14,800
the new book is jesus a new vision

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02:59:19,190 --> 02:59:18,080
it will not disturb you if you are a

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02:59:22,469 --> 02:59:19,200
christian

3940
02:59:26,309 --> 02:59:22,479
enable you to

3941
02:59:29,830 --> 02:59:26,319
find your way into

3942
02:59:32,070 --> 02:59:29,840
the most powerful and beautiful moral

3943
02:59:35,429 --> 02:59:32,080
teaching that is there

3944
02:59:35,990 --> 02:59:35,439
that jesus left without becoming a

3945
02:59:39,750 --> 02:59:36,000
christian

3946
02:59:41,910 --> 02:59:39,760
absolutely

3947
02:59:42,790 --> 02:59:41,920
and all the information on how to get

3948
02:59:45,269 --> 02:59:42,800
the book is at

3949
02:59:46,950 --> 02:59:45,279
uh unknown country just get it in amazon

3950
02:59:49,429 --> 02:59:46,960
there you go

3951
02:59:50,630 --> 02:59:49,439
get the audio book too i read all my own

3952
02:59:52,870 --> 02:59:50,640
audio books and they

3953
02:59:55,110 --> 02:59:52,880
i'm a good reader so you'll enjoy it if

3954
02:59:58,469 --> 02:59:55,120
you if you listen to any of them

3955
03:00:01,269 --> 02:59:58,479
on jesus a new vision new world

3956
03:00:02,230 --> 03:00:01,279
or afterlife revolution thank you so

3957
03:00:04,870 --> 03:00:02,240
much my friend

3958
03:00:06,469 --> 03:00:04,880
enjoy yourself and uh we'll circle back

3959
03:00:07,349 --> 03:00:06,479
in a couple of days thank you so much

3960
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:07,359
whitley

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03:00:11,030 --> 03:00:10,479
you're the good guys thank you thank you

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03:00:15,510 --> 03:00:11,040
whitley

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03:00:18,870 --> 03:00:15,520
country.com and the links

3964
03:00:20,550 --> 03:00:18,880
are over at jimmychurchradio.com

3965
03:00:22,230 --> 03:00:20,560
what a great conversation one pulled a

3966
03:00:25,190 --> 03:00:22,240
poll and uh

3967
03:00:26,710 --> 03:00:25,200
did a extra segment of overtime with

3968
03:00:27,990 --> 03:00:26,720
whitley strieber tonight thank you so

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03:00:29,910 --> 03:00:28,000
much whitley

3970
03:00:31,990 --> 03:00:29,920
bayden black's executive producers rita

3971
03:00:33,670 --> 03:00:32,000
kamarian shows produced by hill j paul

3972
03:00:36,309 --> 03:00:33,680
renee dennis and kevin

3973
03:00:36,790 --> 03:00:36,319
announcers are steve harter jean vettel

3974
03:00:39,910 --> 03:00:36,800
and mark

3975
03:00:40,230 --> 03:00:39,920
d kovar webmaster is drew the geek music

3976
03:00:44,150 --> 03:00:40,240
doug

3977
03:00:45,269 --> 03:00:44,160
aldrich intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

3978
03:00:47,990 --> 03:00:45,279
that intro

3979
03:00:49,110 --> 03:00:48,000
was recorded on that guitar right there

3980
03:00:51,590 --> 03:00:49,120
that's the

3981
03:00:52,790 --> 03:00:51,600
official space boy guitar here in the

3982
03:00:54,870 --> 03:00:52,800
bunker

3983
03:00:56,710 --> 03:00:54,880
beta black is produced by kjcr for the

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03:00:58,469 --> 03:00:56,720
game changer network and syndication is

3985
03:00:59,830 --> 03:00:58,479
kgra

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03:01:02,550 --> 03:00:59,840
the planet this broadcast owned a

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03:01:04,790 --> 03:01:02,560
copyrighted 2021 by fade to black

3988
03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:04,800
and the game changer network inc it

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03:01:07,670 --> 03:01:06,000
cannot be re-broadcast

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03:01:09,349 --> 03:01:07,680
downloaded copied or used anywhere in

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03:01:10,790 --> 03:01:09,359
the known universe without written

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03:01:12,230 --> 03:01:10,800
permission from fade to black of the

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03:01:14,630 --> 03:01:12,240
game changer network

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03:01:15,910 --> 03:01:14,640
big thanks to whitley strieber tomorrow

3995
03:01:19,269 --> 03:01:15,920
night right here

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03:01:20,309 --> 03:01:19,279
serena wright taylor until then i want

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03:01:43,660 --> 03:01:20,319
everybody to be